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Spens1 wrote:jwise44 wrote:Please kemba don’t go to LA
and stay in Charlotte and waste his prime, he needs to get out of there ASAP (whether its to us or not).
JayMKE wrote:Lonzo, Ingram, Hart are not very good. RealGM overrates future draft picks a lot.Lakers laughing all the way to the bank.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
Domejandro wrote:Spens1 wrote:jwise44 wrote:Please kemba don’t go to LA
and stay in Charlotte and waste his prime, he needs to get out of there ASAP (whether its to us or not).
Don't really see why he has to, if he enjoys it there, why not accept the Super-Max and play his full career there?
JellosJigglin wrote:Pels are now my 2nd favorite team in the league. I grew a bit attached to these young guys over the years and went to bat for them against the haters. Watching them develop was both a frustrating exercise in patienceand a dad-like sense of pride
. I know this last season playing with Lebron took a toll on them and they're probably relieved to get a fresh start. Most of you have no clue how good they really are. The Lakers overpaid but that's what it takes to get a player like AD.
Pelicans fans, trust me when I say this but you don't realize how lucky you are. Lonzo is a quiet, humble, unselfish dude. He plays winning, unselfish basketball and doesn't give 2 **** about his numbers. He's going to be a perennial all-defensive player. I've always called him the Draymond Green of point guards. He isn't your protoypical PG who handles the ball, but a ball-mover who plays hot potato and allows your stars to shine. He's the rising tide that lifts all boats. He's a straight up maestro in the open court. The noise surrounding him is literally all Lavar and he's just a clown with no real power.
Ingram has a Kawhi-like personality in that he's quiet off-court but his game is all business. He was the only player who was unaffected by all the trade rumors. In fact he stepped up and played like an all-star (27/6/6 in the last ~14 games before injury on high efficiency). His defense also looked elite at times. See the highlights when he switched onto Kyrie. I'm willing to bet he's going to be the better player between Tatum. It hurts to lose him.
Hart is a big-time role player. I used to call him "the wall" because he'd switch onto a big man in the paint and they had no chance of backing him down. It was hilarious to watch them when they thought they could take advantage of a smaller player. See David West's comments about how he knew it was time to retire when he couldn't back down Hart. We affectionately called him Josh Barkley on Lakersground because he's a fantastic rebounder for a guard. He will give you 40% shooting from 3. That's what he shot last season and this season up until late December when he had a knee issue. His shooting tanked after that. I'm confident after a summer of rehabbing he'll be one of the best 3/D players in the league. Similar game to Danny Green, except his perimeter defense is bad and his post defense is excellent.
Of course, this is all without mentioning the picks. Damn, I'm really going to miss those guys and will be rooting for them. Now that they're no longer wearing Laker jerseys people will really start to appreciate their talents more. Pels have a bright future. I don't like the games their front office played but the players have nothing to do with that. I think the Pels have the best young team in the NBA and they're going to be fun as hell to watch with Lonzo pushing the tempo. Congrats and good luck to you guys.
Magic#1 wrote:We have won two playoff games in two years. If we decide to keep this team for the next two years, maybe it will feel like we won a series.
Spens1 wrote:jpengland wrote:Christ, the Lakers are now thin.
AD, an ageing LeBron, Kuzma, Bonga and Wagner with no picks for 6 years.
They will likely target another star.
Then its essentially minimum guys. Once Kuzma gets a raise its tax payer MLE only each year and no trade assets to find other routes
We'll have the MLE for this year, the full 10 mill, so we can get a good S.G/P.G (whoever isn't signed with our max) so that opens up some good opportunities.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
BullyKing wrote:Spens1 wrote:jpengland wrote:Christ, the Lakers are now thin.
AD, an ageing LeBron, Kuzma, Bonga and Wagner with no picks for 6 years.
They will likely target another star.
Then its essentially minimum guys. Once Kuzma gets a raise its tax payer MLE only each year and no trade assets to find other routes
We'll have the MLE for this year, the full 10 mill, so we can get a good S.G/P.G (whoever isn't signed with our max) so that opens up some good opportunities.
No, you don't. You have the room exception.
Spens1 wrote:Domejandro wrote:Spens1 wrote:
and stay in Charlotte and waste his prime, he needs to get out of there ASAP (whether its to us or not).
Don't really see why he has to, if he enjoys it there, why not accept the Super-Max and play his full career there?
playoff basketball for one. It would be one thing if Charlotte was in somewhat of a positon to build but they have some pretty bad contracts still and their roster right now looks like its in full rebuild given their core guys are essentially Monk and Bridges.
They don't even have anyone resembling a 2nd option. Their next best scorer is Lamb with 15PPG, then its only Marvin Williams and Zeller barely averaging over 10PPG.
I wouldn't put my faith in the Charlotte front office to know what they're doing and actually put the pieces needed to get this team to the playoffs.
lambchop wrote:Spens1 wrote:Domejandro wrote:Don't really see why he has to, if he enjoys it there, why not accept the Super-Max and play his full career there?
playoff basketball for one. It would be one thing if Charlotte was in somewhat of a positon to build but they have some pretty bad contracts still and their roster right now looks like its in full rebuild given their core guys are essentially Monk and Bridges.
They don't even have anyone resembling a 2nd option. Their next best scorer is Lamb with 15PPG, then its only Marvin Williams and Zeller barely averaging over 10PPG.
I wouldn't put my faith in the Charlotte front office to know what they're doing and actually put the pieces needed to get this team to the playoffs.
Not everyone is built for that. The media scrutiny, people calling you a choke artist, being under a magnifying glass, playing meaningful games etc. Not everyone wants that
phraoh wrote:Well...now that I see what pick protections there are, as well, as an additional pick improvement available (unprotected pick swap in 23), I am changing my vote from they both won, to New Orleans won the trade. Basically, this is the Nets trade of a few years ago, as we all should assume that Lebron will be useless by the time the 21, 22, 23, 24 seasons are in the books, as well as him only having 2 more years under contract. Basically getting THREE unprotected picks and the # 4 pick this year. Too much. And what happens if Davis gets hurt, or pulls a Paul George and decides he doesn't want to play with Lebron or for the Lakers or tears his achilles? David Griffin is and has always been a very smart GM....he knows the potential haul he is getting for a guy that was leaving. And how valuable will those picks be to trade for NBA star talent? Its going to be like the Brooklyn picks....and Griffin will be smart enough to use them (not like Mr. Ainge). And finally, those draft picks will be even more valuable once the 1 and done rule is eliminated and the pool of available talent includes 18 year olds.
Spens1 wrote:jwise44 wrote:Please kemba don’t go to LA
and stay in Charlotte and waste his prime, he needs to get out of there ASAP (whether its to us or not).
Lost Angel wrote:plenty of guys will want to come in free agency.
Losing all of those picks (and the swaps?!) hurts. But if the Lakers sign another great player, I’m sure we’ll see a lot of vets sign for ultra cheap.
It’s the definition of a boom or bust trade for both teams.
AD is a rare player and Lakers just snagged him in his prime. Without giving up a good 3rd option in Kuzma
AD/Wagner
Kuzma
LeBron
?
?/?/Bonga
A lot of work to do but we got 27-32M to do it.
kobyz wrote:phraoh wrote:Well...now that I see what pick protections there are, as well, as an additional pick improvement available (unprotected pick swap in 23), I am changing my vote from they both won, to New Orleans won the trade. Basically, this is the Nets trade of a few years ago, as we all should assume that Lebron will be useless by the time the 21, 22, 23, 24 seasons are in the books, as well as him only having 2 more years under contract. Basically getting THREE unprotected picks and the # 4 pick this year. Too much. And what happens if Davis gets hurt, or pulls a Paul George and decides he doesn't want to play with Lebron or for the Lakers or tears his achilles? David Griffin is and has always been a very smart GM....he knows the potential haul he is getting for a guy that was leaving. And how valuable will those picks be to trade for NBA star talent? Its going to be like the Brooklyn picks....and Griffin will be smart enough to use them (not like Mr. Ainge). And finally, those draft picks will be even more valuable once the 1 and done rule is eliminated and the pool of available talent includes 18 year olds.
there is only low chance that those picks are more than late first round picks, you can't compare this trade to Nets trade who trade for over the hill KG and Pierce...