2021-22 Rookie Thread

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Who will be the three best rookies?

Cade Cunningham
130
14%
Jalen Green
148
16%
Evan Mobley
187
21%
Scottie Barnes
225
25%
Jalen Suggs
51
6%
Josh Giddey
82
9%
Jonathan Kuminga
6
1%
Trey Murphy
11
1%
James Bouknight
15
2%
Other
44
5%
 
Total votes: 899

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Post#941 » by PD28 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:56 pm

Ralof wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
SOUL wrote:


you kidding?taller and more athletic jj would be awesome,hell of a player.

we drafted a poor george hill clone,people underestimate how bad this guy is.


A taller more athletic JJ would be a top 10 player :lol: :lol:. Wagner has been pretty impressive but had an off game against us.
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Post#942 » by maternal85 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:10 pm

Ralof wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
SOUL wrote:


you kidding?taller and more athletic jj would be awesome,hell of a player.

we drafted a poor george hill clone,people underestimate how bad this guy is.


Sorry, forgot he couldn't shoot.
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Post#943 » by Duffman100 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:28 pm

Man can we give Suggs more than 5 or 6 games?
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Post#944 » by ellobo » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:50 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
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JJ_PR wrote:
Duarte is dominican.
He's born in the Dominican Republic, but raised in Canada. He's both Dominican and Canadian.]


Quick google search seems to show the opposite: born in Canada but family moved quickly and he grew up in the DR, then moved from there to NY for last two years of high school. You could technically call him 'Canadian' but ties to Canada seem pretty thin.


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Post#945 » by TheFutureMM » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:05 pm

This years batch of Rookies have been especially good for the first 6-7 games. Obvious stand-outs are Duarte + Barnes + Mobley but Giddey and Wagner have both been great too.

Should be interesting to see where the race goes. Cade + Green can both turn it up at any minute and jump into the fold.

I've posted about this in the Raptors forum but I've got 100 on Scottie to win and got it at +1100. My consolation prize is that I've got Mobley and Wagner in Fantasy so I don't get too mad when they perform.
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Post#946 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 pm

Ralof wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
SOUL wrote:


you kidding?taller and more athletic jj would be awesome,hell of a player.

we drafted a poor george hill clone,people underestimate how bad this guy is.
Lol. Not even sure you're a real fan. All you do is troll the Magic board on occasion.

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Post#947 » by Madhouse » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:53 pm

Ralof wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
SOUL wrote:


you kidding?taller and more athletic jj would be awesome,hell of a player.

we drafted a poor george hill clone,people underestimate how bad this guy is.


He played well the other night against Toronto.
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Post#948 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:59 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Man can we give Suggs more than 5 or 6 games?

For those criticizing the games he has played so far, it’s okay. He’s been underwhelming so far offensively, defensively he’s been pretty decent.

But for those already projecting out him and saying he won’t be good, ya that’s not good. And the Raptors fans bashing him - very cringe.
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Post#949 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:00 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Rough night for Cade scoring the ball but he was definitely hustling and playing defense. His shot should come over the next few games.

Also needs off the minute to restrictions cause he missed all of the 4th and half the 3rd.


Never understood why good players with minute restrictions dont skip the first half and play their minutes in the 2nd half during more meaningful times lol
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Post#950 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:11 pm

ellobo wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
AmirJohnson wrote:He's born in the Dominican Republic, but raised in Canada. He's both Dominican and Canadian.]


Quick google search seems to show the opposite: born in Canada but family moved quickly and he grew up in the DR, then moved from there to NY for last two years of high school. You could technically call him 'Canadian' but ties to Canada seem pretty thin.


And he's a really good guitar player:


Does anyone know what national team Duarte would play for? Would love to have him on Team Canada lol.
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Post#951 » by GooniesNeverDie » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:30 pm

Raps fans can definitely be a annoying but after hearing all summer about how the FO blew it (even NBA twitter including Suggs over Barnes in their who will win ROY polls) it 100% makes sense that this is the reaction unfortunately for realgm.

Regardless though, I don't think we talk about how Barnes is elite defensively already.. I know Mobley is incredible on that end but Scottie isn't far behind. He's guarding literally all positions (center in tiny stints).

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Post#952 » by QingJames » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:37 pm

GooniesNeverDie wrote:Raps fans can definitely be a annoying but after hearing all summer about how the FO blew it (even NBA twitter including Suggs over Barnes in their who will win ROY polls) it 100% makes sense that this is the reaction unfortunately for realgm.

Regardless though, I don't think we talk about how Barnes is elite defensively already.. I know Mobley is incredible on that end but Scottie isn't far behind. He's guarding literally all positions (center in tiny stints).

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Barnes definitely is pretty far behind Mobley on defense at this point. Barnes is also benefitting from much better defensive teammates than Mobley. Mobley looks like he’ll win DPOY within 3 years at this point.
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Post#953 » by gbball » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:47 pm

Raptors fan here and I think I can weigh in on the Suggs/Barnes thing.

Leading up to the draft, Suggs was in the consensus top 4 and there was enormous external pressure for us to pick him. Us going with Barnes was seen externally as a reach by most. Like if the Pistons had picked Green or Mobley #1 this year. It's like you better be right because if you're wrong, you'll never hear the end of it.

Then on top of that, Suggs said before the draft that he'd make whatever team passes on him regret it. Which could ultimately be the case, but really it seemed directed at the Raptors organization after his bad workout. This to me was a messed up thing for him to say. I know a lot of rookies say things like that and use it as a chip, but in this case, it seemed like Suggs was trying to threaten our organization. This left a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing and if he hadn't said that, I wouldn't care one bit. Then to add to it, on draft night, Sugg's sister trashed the Raptors for passing on him and since then Suggs has acted pretty butthurt about not getting picked by us, and refusing to mention Toronto when asked about it on multiple occasions. This speaks to a lack of maturity on his part.

Magic and other teams fans on here were definitely laughing at the Raps for the pick. But now that Barnes has had a better start to his career, Raps fans are returning the favor and letting everyone know about it...we were anxious about the team rolling the dice on Barnes too...since we're accustomed to being the laughing stock of the NBA, we were half ready to see Suggs blow up and Barnes struggle and never hear the end of it. People still talk about the Bruno Caboclo pick to this day (and that was the 20th pick in a mediocre draft).

Suggs and Barnes can of course still have a change in fortunes and I'm sure that people will be happy to rub it in Raps fans' faces if that happens. But for now, I think most of us want to see Suggs succeed, we just want Barnes to be better.

On a related note, I think Suggs was starting to buy too much into his own hype after that season at Gonzaga and now he's getting humbled, which I think is good for him in the long run. He has a lot to work on, and I think he took for granted that he'd be able to duplicate his success in College in the NBA. I do think he will work tirelessly to get better and he's got a lot of potential. He just has to shore up some of his weaknesses. But his skillset coming in to the NBA wasn't going to be good enough to do what he wants to be able to do from day 1. His playmaking and defense, and tenacity have been as advertised though.

Overall, it's a great rookie class so far and the only thing I worry about is their ability to stay healthy. As talented as the whole class has been, it seems a lot of them have had some kind of injury which seems different from previous years.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#954 » by God Squad » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:08 pm

Aye my fellow Raptor fans. You all are hella insecure.

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Post#955 » by MrSparkle » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:36 pm

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open
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Post#956 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:51 pm

MrSparkle wrote:1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open


after yesterdays gamme Barnes > Mobley.....its only 7 games tho. We need more sample size and things can change

Barnes now officially leads all rookies in points and rebounds
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Post#957 » by FinnTheHuman » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:01 pm

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.
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Post#958 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:13 pm

QingJames wrote:
GooniesNeverDie wrote:Raps fans can definitely be a annoying but after hearing all summer about how the FO blew it (even NBA twitter including Suggs over Barnes in their who will win ROY polls) it 100% makes sense that this is the reaction unfortunately for realgm.

Regardless though, I don't think we talk about how Barnes is elite defensively already.. I know Mobley is incredible on that end but Scottie isn't far behind. He's guarding literally all positions (center in tiny stints).

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Barnes definitely is pretty far behind Mobley on defense at this point. Barnes is also benefitting from much better defensive teammates than Mobley. Mobley looks like he’ll win DPOY within 3 years at this point.


Not sure why you'd say that Barnes is pretty far from Mobley defensively at this point. Have you watched any raptor games at all to make this observation?

Because if you did, you'd realize that Barnes has been guarding the other teams best player full court almost every possession. Sure he gets backdoored every now and again for being over aggressive but he's been doing a great job there. Defense is the only reason why we're 4-3 instead of 0-7 lol.
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Post#959 » by sisibilio » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:15 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
ellobo wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Quick google search seems to show the opposite: born in Canada but family moved quickly and he grew up in the DR, then moved from there to NY for last two years of high school. You could technically call him 'Canadian' but ties to Canada seem pretty thin.


And he's a really good guitar player:


Does anyone know what national team Duarte would play for? Would love to have him on Team Canada lol.

He was born in DR and according to https://www.diariolibre.com/deportes/baloncesto/chris-duarte-quiere-jugar-con-la-seleccion-dominicana-AK29541991 his intention is playing for the dominican team.
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Post#960 » by namlede » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:23 pm

MrSparkle wrote:1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open
Duarte #3 unless you discount
his age.

Giddey is #3 or #4. it's a shame he is stuck in a small market like OKC but more people should watch him. His passing and offensive IQ is as good as anyone to come into the league in a long time.

When you watch him play so effortlessly and with confidence it's hard to believe he just turned 19. he has a lot to work on like staying focused on defense and working on his shooting, but he has an offensive mind that 99% of NBA players don't have.

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