Race to the MVP.

[The_Dream]

Per 36 has LeBron ahead in most stats, including scoring.

LBJ per 36: 24.4PPG/6.3APG/8.6RPG/2.3TOPG on 53% shooting and .439% from 3. He's also playing 103 minutes less than Durant this season.

Durant per 36: 23.9PPG/4.1APG/8.5RPG/3.4TOPG on 49% shooting and .436% from 3. He's also playing 103 minutes more than LBJ this season.

PER LBJ: 28.54
PER Durant: 27.45

Lets try and not ignore the fact that LeBron has sat out 3-4 games for extensive minutes due to clear wins and whatnot.

Just some food for thought.

[28reloaded]

They've resorted to per 36 and throwing all advanced stats out of the window except for PER

Also Durant has played 2 games under 30 minutes
Toronto 29:09 played and Charlotte 26:28

LeBron has played 2 games under 30 minutes as well
Brooklyn 29:48 played and Boston 28:25

Not to mention Durant has MUCH better stats vs the top competition in the league. The average game score of the 2 is not even close either, Durant's over 23 and LeBron is at 21.5.

[kamelion4291]

Right now LeBron has a higher PER than Durant and a better record. I'm not sure why there is so much to discuss.

Hollingers PER; Seriously?

Are you implying PER is a bad stat? It's pretty widely accepted. What would you rather go by, points per game? lol

[28reloaded]

Right now LeBron has a higher PER than Durant and a better record. I'm not sure why there is so much to discuss.

Hollingers PER; Seriously?

Are you implying PER is a bad stat? It's pretty widely accepted. What would you rather go by, points per game? lol

I'm pretty sure WSp48, WS, VA, EWA, Efficiency Rating, Roland Rating, On/Off, +/-, CBS PR,PPR, AWS all combined outweigh PER. But I guess I could be wrong.

[The_Dream]

They've resorted to per 36 and throwing all advanced stats out of the window except for PER

Also Durant has played 2 games under 30 minutes
Toronto 29:09 played and Charlotte 26:28

LeBron has played 2 games under 30 minutes as well
Brooklyn 29:48 played and Boston 28:25

Not to mention Durant has MUCH better stats vs the top competition in the league.

What? Durant has played 4 'tough' teams so far this season, the Clippers (35/6/5 on 36% shooting) Spurs (23/14/5 on 50%), Memphis (34/10/5 57%), and Boston (29/3/2 45%).

LeBron has played 8 'tough' teams. Boston (26/10/3 62%), New York (23/7/5 50%), Denver (20/9/11 47%), BK (20/12/8 58%), Memphis (20/10/6 52%), Houston (38/10/6 53%), Clippers (30/5/7 52%), Denver (27/7/12 47%).

Also, I love how you bring up Advanced stats but conveniently ignore the ones that favor LeBron: eFG%, TRB%, AST% (he absolutely destroys KD in this one by about 11~ points), TOV%, and PER.

[28reloaded]

LeBron & Durant vs .500+ teams this season

LeBron 23.4 ppg 8.9 rpg 7.6 apg 1.4 spg 1.0 bpg 2.4 to/g 58.0 TS% 53.1 FG% 33.3 3P% 70.7 FT%

Durant 27.9 ppg 9.0 rpg 5.5 apg 3.0 spg 1.5 bpg 3.8 to/g 63.4 TS% 55.3 FG% 42.9 3P% 91.1 FT%

[kamelion4291]

They've resorted to per 36 and throwing all advanced stats out of the window except for PER

Also Durant has played 2 games under 30 minutes
Toronto 29:09 played and Charlotte 26:28

LeBron has played 2 games under 30 minutes as well
Brooklyn 29:48 played and Boston 28:25

Not to mention Durant has MUCH better stats vs the top competition in the league.

You've been listing advanced stats as a prop for Durant for many pages now that ONLY deal with PER and minutes played. We've been over this. You have no clue what you're even looking at.

Since you ignore me every time, I'm going to make it blatantly obvious so you can't escape it this time.

You consistently post Value Added and Estimated Wins Added while saying "Durant - leads league".

Here's Value Added:
Value Added = ([Minutes * (PER - PRL)] / 67). PRL is 10.5 for small forward which count both Durant and LeBron. How many variables are in there? Oh wait, 2. PER and minutes. I literally just quoted you saying I'm throwing out advanced stats other than PER. Here it is, in all it's glory. Your precious Value Added which is just PER and minutes. Since Durant has played more minutes than LeBron, he will have a higher VA, but has less per game. Given the same minutes, LeBron is higher.

Now here's your Estimated Wins Added:
Estimated Wins Added - Value Added divided by 30, giving the estimated number of wins a player adds to a team’s season total above what a 'replacement player' would produce.

Oh, look at that. It's just Value Added divided by 30 for absolutely no reason at all. You love to list that one too. I might as well post PER numbers, divide and multiply it by different values 10 times each, make up new names for the new numbers, and say that LeBron leads the league in a million different categories.

Look, Durant has been fantastic. If you want to think that Durant has played better than LeBron this season, go for it. It's been said many times that LeBron looks like he's coasting and he STILL has better numbers than Durant does, which just goes to show you how good the guy is at basketball. It's just sad that during your Durant fueled stat rampage that nobody even talks about the fact that Kobe Bryant has been the best scorer in the league so far this season. Not Durant. Not LeBron. Pretty amazing.

[The_Dream]

:roll:

LeBron & Durant vs .500+ teams this season

LeBron 23.4 ppg 8.9 rpg 7.6 apg 1.4 spg 1.0 bpg 2.4 to/g 58.0 TS% 53.1 FG% 33.3 3P% 70.7 FT%

Durant 27.9 ppg 9.0 rpg 5.5 apg 3.0 spg 1.5 bpg 3.8 to/g 63.4 TS% 55.3 FG% 42.9 3P% 91.1 FT%

There is a monumental difference between good .500+ teams and mediocre .500+ teams. ATL, GSW, CHI, CHA are all mediocre .500+ teams.

EDIT: Also, I love how you bring up Advanced stats but conveniently ignore the ones that favor LeBron: eFG%, TRB%, AST% (he absolutely destroys KD in this one by about 11~ points), TOV%, and PER.

[28reloaded]

According to PER, David Robinson is the 4th greatest player in NBA history

All hail the almighty PER

And now we're dismissing minutes played as well, as if Durant's extra minutes played doesn't benefit his team more. Also it drags down his numbers as he has to play with less rest.

[The_Dream]

According to PER, David Robinson is the 4th greatest player in NBA history

All hail the almighty PER

And now we're dismissing minutes played as well, as if Durant's extra minutes played doesn't benefit his team more. Also it drags down his numbers as he has to play with less rest.

How about the fact that Durant has more minutes played because his team requires him to, whereas Miami doesn't need LBJ to be playing those heavier minutes? Also, you ignored that kamil guy again. Good job

[kamelion4291]

According to PER, David Robinson is the 4th greatest player in NBA history

All hail the almighty PER

And now we're dismissing minutes played as well, as if Durant's extra minutes played doesn't benefit his team more. Also it drags down his numbers as he has to play with less rest.

Durant has played TWO FULL GAMES more than LeBron. It isn't just the extra 2 minutes per game that he plays. It's the fact that he has almost 80 more minutes just because of the game difference.

It's funny how any stat that props up Durant is a good stat, and the ones that don't, are bad stats.

Here's a fun suggestion: If you don't like PER as a stat, stop listing Durant in categories that deal with it, okay? Seems simple enough.

[The_Dream]

According to PER, David Robinson is the 4th greatest player in NBA history

All hail the almighty PER

And now we're dismissing minutes played as well, as if Durant's extra minutes played doesn't benefit his team more. Also it drags down his numbers as he has to play with less rest.

Durant has played TWO FULL GAMES more than LeBron. It isn't just the extra 2 minutes per game that he plays. It's the fact that he has almost 80 more minutes just because of the game difference.

It's funny how any stat that props up Durant is a good stat, and the ones that don't, are bad stats.

Here's a fun suggestion: If you don't like PER as a stat, stop listing Durant in categories that deal with it, okay? Seems simple enough.

Boom, roasted?

[28reloaded]

Ok, then we will go with their stats vs the top 10 defenses in the league

Durant 28/9.6/5.2 60.8 TS%
LeBron 20.5/10.5/7.5 52.3 TS%

And LeBron has only played 2 games against top 10 defenses, where as Durant has played 5

It's absolutely priceless that LeBron stans have turned full circle when it comes to advanced stats. Durant will probably surpass LeBron in PER as well

[The_Dream]

Durant will probably surpass LeBron in PER as well

No room for 'probably'. Love how you can use advanced stats (except the ones that favor LBJ, of course!), but PER/per 36 are a no-go. Get real.

[kamelion4291]

Stats are fun. LeBron shot 56% against those defenses. 10-17 and 10-19. His true shooting percentage dropped because he was 1-7 on free throws.

But hey, if LeBron was sitting at 4 games with double digit free throws like Durant instead of 0, including a game where Durant shot 21 free throws, his TS% and points would look nice and pretty too. Again, that's out of his control.

I also find it incredibly amusing that you just called listing points, rebounds, and assists per game as well as TS% "advanced stats". Are you still in High School or something?

[The_Dream]

Stats are fun. LeBron shot 56% against those defenses. 10-17 and 10-19. His true shooting percentage dropped because he was 1-7 on free throws.

But hey, if LeBron was sitting at 4 games with double digit free throws like Durant instead of 0, including a game where Durant shot 21 free throws, his TS% and points would look nice and pretty too. Again, that's out of his control.

I also find it incredibly amusing that you just called listing points, rebounds, and assists per game as well as TS% "advanced stats". Are you still in High School or something?

The craziest thing is: LBJ is not only putting up these on-par stats on less minutes, but he's doing it with two other all-stars on his team.

[Bravely Done]

Right now LeBron has a higher PER than Durant and a better record. I'm not sure why there is so much to discuss.

Hollingers PER; Seriously?

Are you implying PER is a bad stat? It's pretty widely accepted. What would you rather go by, points per game? lol

PER isnt a stat, never has been, and its about as relevant to the evaluation of a players individual ability as total QBR is in the NFl.

[Bravely Done]

Stats are fun. LeBron shot 56% against those defenses. 10-17 and 10-19. His true shooting percentage dropped because he was 1-7 on free throws.

But hey, if LeBron was sitting at 4 games with double digit free throws like Durant instead of 0, including a game where Durant shot 21 free throws, his TS% and points would look nice and pretty too. Again, that's out of his control.

I also find it incredibly amusing that you just called listing points, rebounds, and assists per game as well as TS% "advanced stats". Are you still in High School or something?

The craziest thing is: LBJ is not only putting up these on-par stats on less minutes, but he's doing it with two other all-stars on his team.

He's posting inferior numbers in an inferior conference against inferior competition, while playing on a stacked team no less, and this is supposed to be representative of his superiority over Durant?


As I said; the irony is strong.

[kamelion4291]

Stats are fun. LeBron shot 56% against those defenses. 10-17 and 10-19. His true shooting percentage dropped because he was 1-7 on free throws.

But hey, if LeBron was sitting at 4 games with double digit free throws like Durant instead of 0, including a game where Durant shot 21 free throws, his TS% and points would look nice and pretty too. Again, that's out of his control.

I also find it incredibly amusing that you just called listing points, rebounds, and assists per game as well as TS% "advanced stats". Are you still in High School or something?

The craziest thing is: LBJ is not only putting up these on-par stats on less minutes, but he's doing it with two other all-stars on his team.

He's posting inferior numbers in an inferior conference against inferior competition, while playing on a stacked team no less, and this is supposed to be representative of his superiority over Durant?


As I said; the irony is strong.

Fact: Durant's team is also stacked.
Fact: LeBron is posting superior numbers
Fact: Miami has had the 2nd hardest strength of schedule in the league behind the Clippers, which will get another nice boost from playing San Antonio tomorrow. OKC's strength of schedule is .500.

Fact: LeBron is a better basketball player than Durant.

[Tien]

It's only irony if LeBron plays with a "stacked team".

If Durant plays with a "stacked team" it's called posting "superior numbers".



It's been fun watching these clowns and seeing kamelion roasting them.