MVP discussion thread

[EArl]

Pacers lose without paul george
thunder lottery without durant
Blazers are lottery without aldridge
Clippers can survive without paul
Heat can dominate without lebron, maybe not night in and night out but they can definitely win

Not necessarily.
Heat would probably still be second place, but they would not dominate as you put it. All those teams except maybe the blazers are stacked.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Not saying it can be sustained or that he is characteristically on this level as a player, but Aldridge is playing better right now than we've seen out of anybody else so far this season. What a treat this is. Dominating without deviating from his team-first, all-business nature at all. Enjoying it as long as it lasts.

[xMADEinDADEx]

It's almost boring to vote for Lebron again. But it's hard to deny him. I can't see anyone getting MVP besides Lebron James at the end of the season

Maybe Paul George has another leap in him for next year... he needs to clearly surpass Durant to have a shot at this. But that seems nearly impossible, even at PG's current level

I disagree. 2010, all they had to do was get the best overall record, and rose won MVP.

Same can be said about PG unless with granger back things get complicated.

So all the pacers have to do is keep winning, and I can see them getting a sweep of the major awards.

MIP, COY, EOY, DPOY, and MVP.

Which is actually really impressive.


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[Rasho_libre]

My list for now is

Durant
Lbj
Pg
LMA
Cp

Won't bet on it but maybe this is the year Durant holds onto the MVP

[HotRocks34]

If Aldridge keeps doing what he's doing, and Portland keeps winning, I think he's going to have to be considered a real candidate (if those things continue).

I think he had like 20/15 tonight, and I think for the season he's around 23/10 per game with about a 22 PER. With Portland's record, that type of production might work for an MVP candidacy. Particularly if OKC, IND, and/or MIA slow down a bit.

[deneem4]

Pacers lose without paul george
thunder lottery without durant
Blazers are lottery without aldridge
Clippers can survive without paul
Heat can dominate without lebron, maybe not night in and night out but they can definitely win

Not necessarily.
Heat would probably still be second place, but they would not dominate as you put it. All those teams except maybe the blazers are stacked.

Westbrook ibaka and durant after thag the talent drops heavy...westbrook is good dont get me wrong but wheres the extra 30 going to come from with durant? Lamb? Perkins? Sefo?
Blazers are better going into this yr, very capable team
Heat would dominate still without lebron
Chalmers/cole
Wade/allen
Beasley/battiee
Bosh/lewis
Andersen/haslem
Thats a top seed in the east still, dont underestimate dwade

So with that bein said....Durant should be getting that mvp, he has the biggest impact on his team
Aldridge should be right behind considering his team record

[LBJ-ITALY]

Pacers lose without paul george
thunder lottery without durant
Blazers are lottery without aldridge
Clippers can survive without paul
Heat can dominate without lebron, maybe not night in and night out but they can definitely win

Not necessarily.
Heat would probably still be second place, but they would not dominate as you put it. All those teams except maybe the blazers are stacked.

Westbrook ibaka and durant after thag the talent drops heavy...westbrook is good dont get me wrong but wheres the extra 30 going to come from with durant? Lamb? Perkins? Sefo?
Blazers are better going into this yr, very capable team
Heat would dominate still without lebron
Chalmers/cole
Wade/allen
Beasley/battiee
Bosh/lewis
Andersen/haslem
Thats a top seed in the east still, dont underestimate dwade

So with that bein said....Durant should be getting that mvp, he has the biggest impact on his team
Aldridge should be right behind considering his team record

You should see more of the Miami Heat game! This team is far from being dominant without Lebron!

[deneem4]

Not necessarily.
Heat would probably still be second place, but they would not dominate as you put it. All those teams except maybe the blazers are stacked.

Westbrook ibaka and durant after thag the talent drops heavy...westbrook is good dont get me wrong but wheres the extra 30 going to come from with durant? Lamb? Perkins? Sefo?
Blazers are better going into this yr, very capable team
Heat would dominate still without lebron
Chalmers/cole
Wade/allen
Beasley/battiee
Bosh/lewis
Andersen/haslem
Thats a top seed in the east still, dont underestimate dwade

So with that bein said....Durant should be getting that mvp, he has the biggest impact on his team
Aldridge should be right behind considering his team record

You should see more of the Miami Heat game! This team is far from being dominant without Lebron!

U should understand the miami heat game, lebron is a ball dominant player, everything isnt what it seems, if u think dwade and bosh can't keep the heat at the top of the conference by themselves you're delusional

[KDS91]

Lebron can be efficient because hes surrounded by vets and shooters.... he has a top 5 pf and top 5 sg on his team, I dont understand how he can not be efficient if lebron doesnt want to take a shot he doesnt have too, he have slashers and spot up shooters at almost every position...if durant was on the heat he'll probably be shooting 70%...his only other ooptionis westbrook....I dont understand the lebron hype he's surrounded by incredible players...beasley jus makes it even easier...put durant on the mavs, with dirk and ellis...thats essentially what the heat is...bosh is no dirk but ellis is no wade...it balances out...would durant be mvp eligible with that lineup?

So going by this logic, I guess MJ shouldn't be called the G.O.A.T since he played with great players like Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, and Steve Kerr.

Scottie was versatile but he grew with the bulls, its lik if rose wins and jimmy was the 2nd option...u wouldnt discredit rose becausw of tht, he grew into that player he didnt sign over in his prime
Rodman was defense and rebounds
Kerr was a shooter,

Bosh and wade are both 2 way players offensive/defense ...and both were leaders on their respective teams before lebron...

Your point? You discredit Lebron because he has a great supporting cast. Yet Jordan gets a pass because his supporting cast (2 of which are Hall of Famers) "grew up with the bulls", was "defense and rebounds" (which you need to win championships) and a shooter (who holds the all-time record for highest 3-pt % in a season and for his career)? Okay then.

[WinisKing]

Westbrook ibaka and durant after thag the talent drops heavy...westbrook is good dont get me wrong but wheres the extra 30 going to come from with durant? Lamb? Perkins? Sefo?
Blazers are better going into this yr, very capable team
Heat would dominate still without lebron
Chalmers/cole
Wade/allen
Beasley/battiee
Bosh/lewis
Andersen/haslem
Thats a top seed in the east still, dont underestimate dwade

So with that bein said....Durant should be getting that mvp, he has the biggest impact on his team
Aldridge should be right behind considering his team record

You should see more of the Miami Heat game! This team is far from being dominant without Lebron!

U should understand the miami heat game, lebron is a ball dominant player, everything isnt what it seems, if u think dwade and bosh can't keep the heat at the top of the conference by themselves you're delusional

First, maybe you should watch an actual Miami Heat game to know that Lebron isn't nearly as ball dominant with the ball as he used to be. No one is actually ball dominant in the Heat's starting line up. The only time where there exists a semblance of ball domination is when only Wade or Lebron is on the court by themselves.

Second, top seed in the East isn't saying much with or without Lebron. However, with Lebron, perhaps the Heat can get past the Pacers. Without Lebron, they lose in a sweep. You can't say the same about D-Wade knowing how badly he played/was injured during the series and the Heat still pulled out the win due to, of course, the existence of Lebron James.

[LBJ-ITALY]

Lolll at some haters.....after 4 MVP and 2 rings with 2 final MVP, they are some people that still doubt on lebron!

[Tave]

It's almost boring to vote for Lebron again. But it's hard to deny him. I can't see anyone getting MVP besides Lebron James at the end of the season

Maybe Paul George has another leap in him for next year... he needs to clearly surpass Durant to have a shot at this. But that seems nearly impossible, even at PG's current level

I disagree. 2010, all they had to do was get the best overall record, and rose won MVP.

Same can be said about PG unless with granger back things get complicated.

So all the pacers have to do is keep winning, and I can see them getting a sweep of the major awards.

MIP, COY, EOY, DPOY, and MVP.

Which is actually really impressive.


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That's an oversimplification. The MVP is a media award and Lebron was shadowed by an enormous amount of bad press that year. Under more normal PR conditions, and with James winning back-to-back championships, I think it will take a significant lead in team record to dethrone him for a season. Certainly possible, but not as easy as just having a better record. If Lebron's stats are superior, and Pacers win 62 and Miami 60, does George get MVP? I don't think so, maybe but I can't see it.

[Chalky White]

LeBron fans have worn out the term "hater". It's like an ultimate defense to all opposing arguments.

[Rasho_libre]

Lolll at some haters.....after 4 MVP and 2 rings with 2 final MVP, they are some people that still doubt on lebron!

Don't sweat it, whats happened to all the haters every time they doubted him? It's laughable they've been waiting for him to fall on his face since he was a teen. He's just going to give them more homework to do when he shuts them up for the millionth time. Hell in real life there's hardly even any haters left. Just a few on the interwebs really, people that just can't deal with it because he's way better than their favourite players.

[Styrian]

To be fair, it's not like LeBron was ever snubbed for MVP so far. In 2010-11 clear winner was Dwight, Rose's MVP was a joke, the only thing he had was team record and the most valuable thing on that team was no. 1 defense and rebounding(Noah, Asik, Gibson, Deng). I mean he missed 27 games next season and Bulls still had the best record. At least Nash run the best offense in the league for half a decade.

I don't believe voter fatigue exists as much some people would like play on that card. If season ended today, Lebron would probably win it. Jordan didn't deserve MVP every year, because he wasn't the best performer/the most valuable player every year. He was pretty much gifted 97-98' MVP award, it wasn't as bad as Roses, but still. MVP award isn't the best player in the league award or the player with the best ability. The biggest problem is inconsistency, sometimes it's the best player on a team with the best record and he gets it despite having worse season than the best player on 2nd or 3rd best team.

LeBron finishing 2nd in DPOY voting last year was a joke too, he didn't even play defense for first three months of the season and there is no data either boxscore, RAPM, ASPM etc. that would suggest LeBron ever played DPOY type defense in his life. And I don't consider guarding Rose in 4th quarters in playoffs enough to jusfity him getting DPOY two season after that, especially when he mostly avoids guarding even his own matchups(Melo, Durant). I think in general big man defense is way more important/impactful than perimeter defense, but there is example of dominant perimeter defender in Kirilenko who had crazy steals and blocks numbers, was even 2nd best in RAPM in the entire NBA one year and he's got less All-defensive teams than LeBron.

edit: main point about Lebron's defense is that he's got ability to be DPOY when he wants to be and that's why he finished 2nd, but I don't think just having that ability and not using it is enough to get DPOY, all-defensive first teams.

[PaulieWal]

My list for now is

Durant
Lbj
Pg
LMA
Cp

Won't bet on it but maybe this is the year Durant holds onto the MVP

I pretty much agree with this list. Durant #1, followed by LBJ and PG.

For PG to win it Indiana is going to have to finish the season with the best record in the league and he will have to maintain his stats.

Ultimately IMO it will be a two man race between KD and LBJ. It will come down to whose stats looks more impressive, who looks more "dominant", and if OKC can finish with a top 2 record in an insanely loaded West.

[Rasho_libre]

I also think the fact that kd is playing in the insanely competive west, has to play a key factor in MVP voting this year. The east has just been pathetic and down right disgusting so far.

[daschysta]

Pg beasting the toughest part of Indys schedule.

29.3 ppg on 48.5 percent from the field and about 5 rpg and 5 apg. Victories on the road vs SAS and LAC. Can't wait for pg vs kd tomorrow!

[daschysta]

As for east vs. West PG averages 28.3 ppg on 50% vs Western comp, and is 6 and 1 vs. The west, I don't think it's a question whether pg and Indiana are beating Western and Eastern competition alike.

[boateng]

paul geroge deffo deserves it

i don't care if indiana plays great defence, he is valuable to that team and they have the best record