DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[GuyverX]

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

so i guess you'd be ok with teams doing this as well. 'you know that 80 million we promised you? well, we thought about it and now that we waited until everyone actually signed contracts and no team has the cap room, we think you're only worth 60.'

Not giving my opinion whether it's right or wrong. Just stating the facts. But this has happened before so there is precedence. If the NBA wanted to change the rules on moratorium, they could.

[Yuri Vaultin]

So who do we sign to fill the gap at C?

Larry "Super Stoned" Sanders

[JonFromVA]

What Boozer did was far worse than this too.

Loozer weaseled his way out of a contract that was very favorable to the Cavs because he wanted to get paid sooner. He had an "understanding" with the Cavs that he would re-sign with them for the MLE even though it was known that another team with cap space could offer him more.

DeAndre at worst has changed his mind. That's not what I'd call morally repugnant like what Loozer did, but legally it would appear that he entered a verbal contract with the Mavericks, and if he walks away from it, he could be sued for damages. Loozer, otoh, was not permitted by the CBA to enter in to any sort of binding agreement with the Cavaliers.

Verbal contracts mean squat, ask Toronto and Turkoglu or even Brand and the 76'ers, I'm sure greedy ass Sterling would have sued somebody if it was possible when Brand left him

No, they're legally binding, but the league has their own rules and the owners don't tend to take their business to the legal system. As for Sterling, it's not clear that Brand ever committed to signing with the Clippers.

[clippertown]

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

so i guess you'd be ok with teams doing this as well. 'you know that 80 million we promised you? well, we thought about it and now that we waited until everyone actually signed contracts and no team has the cap room, we think you're only worth 60.'

You have a point here. I guess there is nothing to stop this from happening from a legal sense. Its one thing for a player to back out from deal and accept a 5 year deal instead, but a team that renegs on a verbal deal will feel much more pain in the long run.

[jbk1234]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/618894225027891200[/tweet]

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Lin
Matthews
Parsons
Nowitzki
Jordan

Had the makings of a decent team.

[IggyStardust]

No, they're legally binding, but the league has their own rules and the owners don't tend to take their business to the legal system. As for Sterling, it's not clear that Brand ever committed to signing with the Clippers.

there was no contract bruh.

[GuyverX]

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

It doesn't mean "nothing." The overwhelming majority of deals are reached during this time period based on a hand shake agreement. Teams rely on that agreement as do agents and players. Teams make decisions not to offer contracts to other players based on promises made to them. Players decide not to look for a different team based on promises made to them. Andre would be the first player of his caliber to agree to take a max contract from team A, and then go back on that promise. If this becomes the new normal, teams and players are going to find themselves left in the lurch.

I'm sure a lot of business deals are made on "hand shake" agreements. Even then, those are hard to enforce. But legally speaking, there are no deals that can be made before moratorium. It does screw the teams involved, but that's about it. It's a question of ethics, really.

[Kurtz]

No, they're legally binding, but the league has their own rules and the owners don't tend to take their business to the legal system. As for Sterling, it's not clear that Brand ever committed to signing with the Clippers.

In real life, a verbal contract is binding if there's a 2-way exchange of considerations and both parties are of sound mind. However, NBA rules preclude the formulation of a contract prior to July 9th, which makes DJ's and the Mavs deal, as it stands, non-enforceable.

[MartinToVaught]

Hopefully some of the future free agents make verbal commitments with the clippers, and then attempt to change their mind at the last second.

Karma

Elton Brand already did that. And again, how it's OUR fault that DJ can't keep his word is beyond me.

[gustofwind]

OK I have an alternate view from most others.

Is DeAndre behaving in an immoral fashion by going back on his word with the Mavs? Well, his actions are certainly morally ambiguous. I think though there are worse things a person could do than change their mind about a job offer. People agree to marry someone and change their mind. It's not a good thing. But it happens. Anyway, I understand the argument against him, but think people are taking this too far.

More importantly, I really believe people go too far when they insinuate Jordan shouldn't be able to change his mind. What should the Mavs do? Hold him against his will? You can protest the way he went about it, but ultimately you have to give the man the right to choose.

Lastly, it's better for the Western conference for Jordan to stay with the Clippers. Let the younger teams replace Dallas in the playoff race. Dallas has had their chances and I don't begrudge the success they have had. But it's time to for them to move on. Portland's exit only ensures that New Orleans will make the playoffs. If Dallas becomes a lottery team, then the Jazz, Kings, Suns and other young and up and coming teams have a chance. If Jordan goes to Mavs, they might make the playoffs, but in my view they are clearly due for a first round exit. There simply is no way they beat the Warriors, Spurs, OKC or Rockets/Grizz. What's the point in the Mavs putting off the inevitable? I suppose some may feel Jordan really is a franchise player on Cousins's level, but surely they are in the minority.

[basketbrawler]

Lin
Matthews
Parsons
Nowitzki
Jordan

Had the makings of a decent team.

Not really

Lin is terrible, Dirk is old and just about cooked, Jordan will be nothing without CP3 and Blake

Matthews is just solid, Parsons is overrated

[jbk1234]

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

It doesn't mean "nothing." The overwhelming majority of deals are reached during this time period based on a hand shake agreement. Teams rely on that agreement as do agents and players. Teams make decisions not to offer contracts to other players based on promises made to them. Players decide not to look for a different team based on promises made to them. Andre would be the first player of his caliber to agree to take a max contract from team A, and then go back on that promise. If this becomes the new normal, teams and players are going to find themselves left in the lurch.

I'm sure a lot of business deals are made on "hand shake" agreements. Even then, those are hard to enforce. But legally speaking, there are no deals that can be made before moratorium. It does screw the teams involved, but that's about it. It's a question of ethics, really.

Legally it means nothing because the situation is governed by the CBA which requires contracts to be in writing. But in terms of impacting future behavior, or changing the rules so that teams can't talk to players until they can sign them, it could matter.

After the entire Boozer fiasco, teams didn't trust players enough to release their rights and sign them to a new contract. Now players drafted in the second get stuck.

[mademan]

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

so i guess you'd be ok with teams doing this as well. 'you know that 80 million we promised you? well, we thought about it and now that we waited until everyone actually signed contracts and no team has the cap room, we think you're only worth 60.'

Players are the commodity here, not the teams. If a team did this, they'd be blackballed by all the significant FA's in the league (and agents). But if Deandre Jordan were to re-sign with the Clips and go into FA again next year, there'd still be a ton of teams vying for his services

[mtron929]

I feel like the last team to talk to DJ (i.e. Dallas) will have the advantage. He is so weak minded that he will be convinced by the most recent conversations. Moreover, regardless of who he eventually ends up with, he will have second thoughts afterwards.

[keynote]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/618900529066803201[/tweet]

[gipper08]

Kobe, awesome:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/kobebnyant/status/618849189833871360[/tweet]

can someone explain all of these symbols?

If you scroll your mouse over it it'll tell you what the symbol is. In this case I assume Kobe is saying "ok, you guys are getting in planes, cars, boats, and whatever else to go after this guy. I'll sit at home."

thanks

[Leon Black]

Sources also confirm Doc and his fellow clipper peers brought a couple of LA strippers as well to persuade Jordan to stay in LA.

Oh please, Houston has better strippers. No need to bring any.

[JonFromVA]

No, they're legally binding, but the league has their own rules and the owners don't tend to take their business to the legal system. As for Sterling, it's not clear that Brand ever committed to signing with the Clippers.

there was no contract bruh.

A verbal contract is a legally binding contract. Whether either of the parties choose to pursue that fact in the legal system, is another matter; but the key isn't whether Jordan tweeted about it, the key is whether he and the Mavs made a verbal agreement, and whether that can be proven in a court of law.

[bklynstoops]

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

so i guess you'd be ok with teams doing this as well. 'you know that 80 million we promised you? well, we thought about it and now that we waited until everyone actually signed contracts and no team has the cap room, we think you're only worth 60.'

You have a point here. I guess there is nothing to stop this from happening from a legal sense. Its one thing for a player to back out from deal and accept a 5 year deal instead, but a team that renegs on a verbal deal will feel much more pain in the long run.

any team who did something like that would be vilified and they'd be in effect blackballed by any FAs of note. DJ basically had the Mavs plan their FA commitments around his promise. Never mind losing players and the opportunity to pursue others, how about Matthews? Is it now ok for Dallas to say, well, we're going to tank so, sorry Wes, we can't give you that contract? Or do they have to honor that commitment? DJ is a complet ahole.