Cooper Flagg

[tsherkin]

You think that's bad? I remember KAREEMS 80s exploits, even went to his last game at Oakland where the Warriors gave him a rocking chair as a gift

Technically, the first game I ever watched was game 5 of the 85 Finals... But you've got me beat, no doubt, hehe.

I remember watching the
84 finals and i think even 83 finals and some Warrior games around that time as a kid, so I do by a little.

The 84 finals were incredible.

I have only watched them retroactively, but yes, yes they were.

Is this topic even about Cooper Flagg anymore?

Yes. When there's more to say about Flagg, it'll come up, but yes. This is a fair point. We have diverged somewhat.

Circling back, Flagg's stats after 12 games...

30.8 mpg, 13.7 FGA/g at 42.1%, 3.7 3PA/g at 25.0%, 74.6% at the line, 16.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 fpg, 2.3 tpg.

51.1% TS.

Nothing terribly worthy of note as a scoring force so far. The mobility looks good, the handle looks reasonable. But he really isn't dominating anyone at all. Moves well without the ball, active hands and all that. But like, he's not even killing it on the level of a JJ Redick or Adam Morrison. He's young, but he has shown limited range and all that, so a lot of these "AK-47 PLUS" type comparisons are looking a little dimmer, at least for the moment.

[JustBuzzin]

I just thought of this but what about Lamar Odom comp for Flagg?

People don't remember young Lamar Odom was a athletic freak could play point forward and get to the basket. Didn't have the best jumpshot, but improved over time.

Thoughts on Odom comp?

[nikster]

This is the dumbest narrative on this board. UTER HAF WITE PPL!

How is it dumb ? they did it for Spurs, I saw Wemby going there from a mile away.

Magnets right? Another genius to ignore.

A team tied for best odds with 14% won the lottery, clearly proof it's rigged /s

These people can retroactively give reasons any draft is rigged

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The standout skill is his motor. It's not often a guy with his talent and accolades also plays like he's fighting for his life every night. Imagine if Ben Simmons had Flagg's mindset.

People may hate it but I see a lot of Tyler Hansborough in Cooper Flagg. And, hey, both are white so the comparison was obvious lol.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Technically, the first game I ever watched was game 5 of the 85 Finals... But you've got me beat, no doubt, hehe.

I remember watching the
84 finals and i think even 83 finals and some Warrior games around that time as a kid, so I do by a little.

The 84 finals were incredible.

I have only watched them retroactively, but yes, yes they were.

Is this topic even about Cooper Flagg anymore?

Yes. When there's more to say about Flagg, it'll come up, but yes. This is a fair point. We have diverged somewhat.

Circling back, Flagg's stats after 12 games...

30.8 mpg, 13.7 FGA/g at 42.1%, 3.7 3PA/g at 25.0%, 74.6% at the line, 16.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 fpg, 2.3 tpg.

51.1% TS.

Nothing terribly worthy of note as a scoring force so far. The mobility looks good, the handle looks reasonable. But he really isn't dominating anyone at all. Moves well without the ball, active hands and all that. But like, he's not even killing it on the level of a JJ Redick or Adam Morrison. He's young, but he has shown limited range and all that, so a lot of these "AK-47 PLUS" type comparisons are looking a little dimmer, at least for the moment.

Morrison/Reddick didn't instantly excel at elite scorers in college, the averaged about 15 ppl their first two college seasons. Though the efficiency showed up in certain areas where it isn't for Flagg. Flagg's like 17 too, not sure of the age of those other guys. Like we need top guys to develop really fast and be there offensively but maybe he gets their in college year 2 or three, but of course he's destined for the nba.

[tsherkin]

I remember watching the
84 finals and i think even 83 finals and some Warrior games around that time as a kid, so I do by a little.

The 84 finals were incredible.

I have only watched them retroactively, but yes, yes they were.

Is this topic even about Cooper Flagg anymore?

Yes. When there's more to say about Flagg, it'll come up, but yes. This is a fair point. We have diverged somewhat.

Circling back, Flagg's stats after 12 games...

30.8 mpg, 13.7 FGA/g at 42.1%, 3.7 3PA/g at 25.0%, 74.6% at the line, 16.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 fpg, 2.3 tpg.

51.1% TS.

Nothing terribly worthy of note as a scoring force so far. The mobility looks good, the handle looks reasonable. But he really isn't dominating anyone at all. Moves well without the ball, active hands and all that. But like, he's not even killing it on the level of a JJ Redick or Adam Morrison. He's young, but he has shown limited range and all that, so a lot of these "AK-47 PLUS" type comparisons are looking a little dimmer, at least for the moment.

Morrison/Reddick didn't instantly excel at elite scorers in college, the averaged about 15 ppl their first two college seasons. Though the efficiency showed up in certain areas where it isn't for Flagg. Flagg's like 17 too, not sure of the age of those other guys. Like we need top guys to develop really fast and be there offensively but maybe he gets their in college year 2 or three, but of course he's destined for the nba.

Yes, that's true. He is young, and not a shooter, so we shall see what happens.

[mattg]

I have only watched them retroactively, but yes, yes they were.



Yes. When there's more to say about Flagg, it'll come up, but yes. This is a fair point. We have diverged somewhat.

Circling back, Flagg's stats after 12 games...

30.8 mpg, 13.7 FGA/g at 42.1%, 3.7 3PA/g at 25.0%, 74.6% at the line, 16.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 fpg, 2.3 tpg.

51.1% TS.

Nothing terribly worthy of note as a scoring force so far. The mobility looks good, the handle looks reasonable. But he really isn't dominating anyone at all. Moves well without the ball, active hands and all that. But like, he's not even killing it on the level of a JJ Redick or Adam Morrison. He's young, but he has shown limited range and all that, so a lot of these "AK-47 PLUS" type comparisons are looking a little dimmer, at least for the moment.

Morrison/Reddick didn't instantly excel at elite scorers in college, the averaged about 15 ppl their first two college seasons. Though the efficiency showed up in certain areas where it isn't for Flagg. Flagg's like 17 too, not sure of the age of those other guys. Like we need top guys to develop really fast and be there offensively but maybe he gets their in college year 2 or three, but of course he's destined for the nba.

Yes, that's true. He is young, and not a shooter, so we shall see what happens.

Yeah the age thing is HUGE. Top prospects flat out are not 17 years old in December of their freshman year of college. Flagg is legitimately 1.5 to almost 2 full years younger than almost every other elite freshman prospect that is ever in his shoes. Occasionally we even get old freshman who turn 20 at the end of their freshman year or in the summer afterwards, to be 17 in early December is absolutely WILD.

With regards to Redick and Morrison, Redick wasn't who everyone remembers until his Junior season after he really got in great shape (and JJ has been extremely candid about this on his old podcast numerous times).

Morrison also took a bit to develop, and it's also worth noting that Gonzaga was not the same program as they are today. Back then they were a top mid major, but they still played a mid major schedule and weren't bringing in the insane level of talent they have over the past decade where they are functionally a blue blood. Morrison also had absolutely none of Flagg's intangibles in any form or fashion let a lone a floor game which is a pretty big deal. Morrison realistically was the benefit of trash scouting 20 years ago, today his athleticism and lack of ball skills would make him an obvious 2nd round pick despite gaudy numbers.

[PlatinumState]

I remember watching the
84 finals and i think even 83 finals and some Warrior games around that time as a kid, so I do by a little.

The 84 finals were incredible.

I have only watched them retroactively, but yes, yes they were.

Is this topic even about Cooper Flagg anymore?

Yes. When there's more to say about Flagg, it'll come up, but yes. This is a fair point. We have diverged somewhat.

Circling back, Flagg's stats after 12 games...

30.8 mpg, 13.7 FGA/g at 42.1%, 3.7 3PA/g at 25.0%, 74.6% at the line, 16.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 fpg, 2.3 tpg.

51.1% TS.

Nothing terribly worthy of note as a scoring force so far. The mobility looks good, the handle looks reasonable. But he really isn't dominating anyone at all. Moves well without the ball, active hands and all that. But like, he's not even killing it on the level of a JJ Redick or Adam Morrison. He's young, but he has shown limited range and all that, so a lot of these "AK-47 PLUS" type comparisons are looking a little dimmer, at least for the moment.

Morrison/Reddick didn't instantly excel at elite scorers in college, the averaged about 15 ppl their first two college seasons. Though the efficiency showed up in certain areas where it isn't for Flagg. Flagg's like 17 too, not sure of the age of those other guys. Like we need top guys to develop really fast and be there offensively but maybe he gets their in college year 2 or three, but of course he's destined for the nba.

He turned 18 10 days ago. So we can lay the "he's 17" to rest now

[tsherkin]

Morrison also took a bit to develop, and it's also worth noting that Gonzaga was not the same program as they are today. Back then they were a top mid major, but they still played a mid major schedule and weren't bringing in the insane level of talent they have over the past decade where they are functionally a blue blood. Morrison also had absolutely none of Flagg's intangibles in any form or fashion let a lone a floor game which is a pretty big deal. Morrison realistically was the benefit of trash scouting 20 years ago, today his athleticism and lack of ball skills would make him an obvious 2nd round pick despite gaudy numbers.

Morrison had no business being drafted to the NBA, but because of his size and shooting ability was quite effective as a scorer in college. Redick's shot was a similar thing. Neither translated in any way similar to their college selves in the NBA. NCAA performance is only so valuable, to be fair.

Flagg looks like he has a lot of interesting potential, but he has a LOT of development to do in order to live up to the hype, even minding his age.

[Bad Bart]

I just thought of this but what about Lamar Odom comp for Flagg?

People don't remember young Lamar Odom was a athletic freak could play point forward and get to the basket. Didn't have the best jumpshot, but improved over time.

Thoughts on Odom comp?

This is a terrific comp, probably the best honestly. I've been thinking Josh Smith, but I think Odom makes more sense.

[LegendOfSalmons]

If anything, the lottery should be rigged for the Raptors. They are ethically tanking so there's that. Also, wasn't there a thread about top jersey sales by state and the Raptors were the most popular jersey in Maine? Seems like a goldmine. Having Flagg be the savior of the Great White North as the Great White Hope also fits perfectly with some of these narratives lol.

[mattg]

Morrison also took a bit to develop, and it's also worth noting that Gonzaga was not the same program as they are today. Back then they were a top mid major, but they still played a mid major schedule and weren't bringing in the insane level of talent they have over the past decade where they are functionally a blue blood. Morrison also had absolutely none of Flagg's intangibles in any form or fashion let a lone a floor game which is a pretty big deal. Morrison realistically was the benefit of trash scouting 20 years ago, today his athleticism and lack of ball skills would make him an obvious 2nd round pick despite gaudy numbers.

Morrison had no business being drafted to the NBA, but because of his size and shooting ability was quite effective as a scorer in college. Redick's shot was a similar thing. Neither translated in any way similar to their college selves in the NBA. NCAA performance is only so valuable, to be fair.

Flagg looks like he has a lot of interesting potential, but he has a LOT of development to do in order to live up to the hype, even minding his age.

Redick took a few years to get his footing, but once he did his game was very very similar to what he was doing at Duke, just lower volume. He did add more to his off the bounce game, better able to attack close outs or be able to pull up off a 1/2 dribble post pump fake. But other wise his off ball/off screen offensive game was pretty much what he was doing at Duke once he got to LAC.

However, if Redick comes along a decade later his career looks a lot different IMO, he likely has a few 18-22ppg seasons in a more modern offense where the coaches would actively look to have him shoot 10+ 3s every game as a more primary option.

[tsherkin]

Morrison also took a bit to develop, and it's also worth noting that Gonzaga was not the same program as they are today. Back then they were a top mid major, but they still played a mid major schedule and weren't bringing in the insane level of talent they have over the past decade where they are functionally a blue blood. Morrison also had absolutely none of Flagg's intangibles in any form or fashion let a lone a floor game which is a pretty big deal. Morrison realistically was the benefit of trash scouting 20 years ago, today his athleticism and lack of ball skills would make him an obvious 2nd round pick despite gaudy numbers.

Morrison had no business being drafted to the NBA, but because of his size and shooting ability was quite effective as a scorer in college. Redick's shot was a similar thing. Neither translated in any way similar to their college selves in the NBA. NCAA performance is only so valuable, to be fair.

Flagg looks like he has a lot of interesting potential, but he has a LOT of development to do in order to live up to the hype, even minding his age.

Redick took a few years to get his footing, but once he did his game was very very similar to what he was doing at Duke, just lower volume. He did add more to his off the bounce game, better able to attack close outs or be able to pull up off a 1/2 dribble post pump fake. But other wise his off ball/off screen offensive game was pretty much what he was doing at Duke once he got to LAC.

However, if Redick comes along a decade later his career looks a lot different IMO, he likely has a few 18-22ppg seasons in a more modern offense where the coaches would actively look to have him shoot 10+ 3s every game as a more primary option.

He had 4 seasons of 16+, including 17 and 18 ppg, as is.

edit: but I doubt he'd hit 10+ 3pa/g. That is fairly rare territory still.

[Bad Bart]

I have no idea why anyone is comparing Flagg to JJ Redick and Adam Morrison.

[EmpireFalls]

If anything, the lottery should be rigged for the Raptors. They are ethically tanking so there's that. Also, wasn't there a thread about top jersey sales by state and the Raptors were the most popular jersey in Maine? Seems like a goldmine. Having Flagg be the savior of the Great White North as the Great White Hope also fits perfectly with some of these narratives lol.

But they already have Scottie Barnes. Why would they need two of him?

[Jakay]

I have no idea why anyone is comparing Flagg to JJ Redick and Adam Morrison.

don't get this one either.

He's more of a Joe Ingles / John Stockton / Gordon Hayward type.

[mattg]

I have no idea why anyone is comparing Flagg to JJ Redick and Adam Morrison.

don't get this one either.

He's more of a Joe Ingles / John Stockton / Gordon Hayward type.

Lazy comp, Stockton was a small guard. He's much more a prototypical Brian Cardinal, Luke Harangody, Mark Madsen type of forward but with more talent.

[FrodoBaggins]

Didn't realize Duke played today. I thought the game was tomorrow. One of his best games yet.

- 24 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 9/14 FG, 2/4 3PT, 4/4 FT

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Watch on YouTube

[LegendOfSalmons]

If anything, the lottery should be rigged for the Raptors. They are ethically tanking so there's that. Also, wasn't there a thread about top jersey sales by state and the Raptors were the most popular jersey in Maine? Seems like a goldmine. Having Flagg be the savior of the Great White North as the Great White Hope also fits perfectly with some of these narratives lol.

But they already have Scottie Barnes. Why would they need two of him?

Because you should never draft on need, but rather on talent especially for a lottery team. You figure out the rest later.

[Pointgod]

I have no idea why anyone is comparing Flagg to JJ Redick and Adam Morrison.

Something about the comps I just Qwhite put my finger on