2021-22 Rookie Thread

[Tor_Raps]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

[HumbleRen]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

Mobley is exactly what a team that has Sexland and Markkenen in it's starting line up needs. He fixes their mistakes on the defensive end.

Barnes is exactly what the Raptors need, a high efficient scoring wing who can switch on to any perimeter defender and push the transition pace.

Obviously they both can fit perfectly on each other's team due to how versatile they are but I think they're each in the perfect place for them long term wise

[Tor_Raps]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

Mobley is exactly what a team that has Sexland and Markkenen in it's starting line up needs. He fixes their mistakes on the defensive end.

Barnes is exactly what the Raptors need, a high efficient scoring wing who can switch on to any perimeter defender and push the transition pace.

Obviously they both can fit perfectly on each other's team due to how versatile they are but I think they're each in the perfect place for them long term wise

Agreed, I just thought it would be a great positional fit for both teams as the biggest weakness for the Raptors is at C while its at SF for the Cavs.

[HumbleRen]

quick question, what about kuminga and moody?

hows the warriors light yea plan going?

wagner looks good

Kuminga looks a year away from being a year away, not a bad thing, just highlights how raw he is from playing winning basketball.

I'm more surprised at Moody not getting much PT. He seems like a great fit for the Warriors on paper.

[RaptorPride]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans, and find joy in discussing a bit of the non-Raptor basketball? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the Raps-related spam to the Raps board.

Sorry Dad

[djsunyc]

josh giddy being slept on big time, hes right there for roty

hes good but playing for a 10-72 team aint gonna win him roty.

[tdotrep2]

josh giddy being slept on big time, hes right there for roty

hes good but playing for a 10-72 team aint gonna win him roty.

i dont think they care too much about team record for ROTY

[links135]

I mean I went to your board after and 70% of your board was like "WTF???" and Magic fans were celebrating because we didn't think we'd have a chance at Suggs. Me and another mod had a podcast talking about Scottie Barnes and saying we'd be perfectly fine with him even if his shot didn't come along but he was getting underrated by our own board.

Magic fans are petty and shortsighted when it comes to a lot of things but a lot of Raps fans on here are mad insecure. Hence the chants and the trolling because your rookie had a better start. Have a cookie, I hope he hangs on a plaque on the wall that says "had a better first two weeks of the season than Suggs".

It sucks because I like Barnes but you fans ruin it.

You're also being quite petty with your "I hope he hangs a plaque on the wall..." comment as if you're waiting for him to hit a rough patch so you can return the favour to Raptors fans like some are doing to Suggs now.

Fans of every team heckle during games, especially when the opposition is at the free throw line -- and even more so late in a close game. I don't know why people are being so sensitive about what happened last night. Is it because Suggs is a rookie and he should be immune to any kind of heckling/negativity?

Being mad because Raptors fans are jumping on the Barnes bandwagon and giving him all of the support and love in the world is also weird. He's playing at an insanely high level (basically all-star level to start his NBA career) and he looks like he's been in the league for years. Why shouldn't we be excited and talking him up in the rookie thread?

No one is saying you can't be excited... I'm saying if Suggs was playing better than Barnes and we picked him before Barnes the last thing I would want to do is **** talk Barnes or go to the Raps forum and rub it in your faces. Never did I say is there an issue with hyping up Barnes.. but some of you guys like to bring down other rookies to prop your rookie up.

It isn't only aimed at the Raps fanbase, a lot of ppl do this but to me that's ****. And I don't really care about the chants, they can chant whatever tbh.. it helped Suggs out lol. Just saying clearly some Raps fans have Suggs in their head a lot.

Well I can point to the GM survey this year.

https://www.nba.com/news/2021-22-gmsurvey

ROY
1. Green
3. Suggs

Best player in 5 years
4. Suggs
(scottie isn't anywhere on above two)

Biggest steal of the draft
1. Suggs
(scottie actually did get a vote)

You can point to the GM's of the NBA for discounting Barnes, but also saying we think Suggs is a steal which is literally an FU to the Raptors decision.

Now I agree that Raptor fans are being idiots (I am one), no need to go to the Magic board to talk trash, but when stuff like the above where the consensus is that Suggs is a steal because of drafting Barnes.....well you might hear about it.

And sure things can change down the season, Suggs, Green and Cunningham all finding their shot, at the same time so could Scottie.

I'm also reminded when Kawhi first came to Toronto and all summer you had ALL kinds of people saying he wouldn't even play a game, on and on, and then won a chip.

So yeah all the really insecure Raptor fans are screaming all day and night about it.

But yeah, it's bullcrap, just like GM's saying Suggs was the biggest steal of the draft.

[links135]

josh giddy being slept on big time, hes right there for roty

hes good but playing for a 10-72 team aint gonna win him roty.

i dont think they care too much about team record for ROTY

nah at the same time in this class, 10 ppg won't really cut it, HOWEVER, having 5.7 assists at 6"8 is seriously promising as a player

[Vampirate]

KG is like one of the 15 or so best players of all time…“blowing past” a player of that caliber isn’t happening unless you’re basically a GOAT tier player. Which…I like Barnes/Mobley but that’s not happening imo.

Here's the thing.

Every rookie that comes out is always going to be shrugged off in terms of their ceiling.

A player of Mobley's height, wingspan and mobility truly has no true absolute ceiling. Hypothetically.

We don't know how good his ball handling or shot is going to be in the next few years.

The only real thing we can predict with Mobley is that he can likely anchor a defense in the future. Mobley's offensive game can go as low as Rudy Gobert to as high as ????, maybe he's the new KG with a legit, or even deadly 3 point shot.

We don't know.

Or maybe he never improves further on the offensive end.


Let's also take your guy Giannis, in his rookie year nobody thought he'd become what he was, everyone probably compared him to some marginal All Star player at the time for his ceiling, he had great tools but was pretty raw, now here we are.

This is kinda why I don't like talking about players ceilings, you just don't know.

Again keep in mind i'm not saying he's going to become as good as KG was, what I am saying is that we know what KGs ceiling was, we don't know what Mobley's ceiling is.

This argument could extend to basically any talented, physically gifted young player. I could sit here and claim Jalen Green's ceiling is Jordan-level and defend it with "we just don't know, with his athletic ability he could do anything". Just because we don't know what a player's ceiling is doesn't mean it's limitless, and this absolute ceiling argument that depends on the player basically becoming a near perfect version of themselves in every aspect the game isn't realistic or a meaningful exercise IMO.

Love Mobley and Barnes' upside but to suggest their ceiling could "blow past" a top 15 player of all time is just going way too far for me. Especially for Barnes.

I'll say this on the matter.

I legit don't know where Mobley's gonna land when it's all said and done. However, we should take this one step at a time. The first question people should ask is can Mobley score 18-20 points on good-great efficiency while also having that defense?

The next wrung up the ladder is can he do the above while averaging 10+ rebounds a game.

The next wrung up the ladder is can he sustain it in the playoffs?

The next wrung up after that is can he will his team past the 1st round? How about the second?

How will he respond when he's being game planned on? How will he respond to pressure, double teams, adversity?

This is the gauntlet All Time greats have had to answer and passed.

One step at a time, this applies to all the rookies of course.

[basketballRob]

Franz and Evan Mobley comparison.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=wagnefr01&player_id2=mobleev01

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[JonFromVA]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

Mobley is exactly what a team that has Sexland and Markkenen in it's starting line up needs. He fixes their mistakes on the defensive end.

Barnes is exactly what the Raptors need, a high efficient scoring wing who can switch on to any perimeter defender and push the transition pace.

Obviously they both can fit perfectly on each other's team due to how versatile they are but I think they're each in the perfect place for them long term wise

As A Cavs fan I want a shooter at SF, so if I have to flip a coin on someone developing a 3pt shot ... its more economical to just see where Okoro goes with his or if Windler can stay healthy or what we can do with our draft pick next year

Its great this class is producing right out of the gates, but it doesn't always work that way.

Not to mention the Allen+Mobley pairing is going great and Evan shouldn't be starting at C until he gets bigger and maybe then not so much.

[anotherhomer]

Warriors should had draft Wagner...no point taking another raw project when they trying to win

Sucks, I think warriors may had drafted giddey if it wasn't for okc

quick question, what about kuminga and moody?

hows the warriors light yea plan going?

wagner looks good

Kuminga looks a year away from being a year away, not a bad thing, just highlights how raw he is from playing winning basketball.

I'm more surprised at Moody not getting much PT. He seems like a great fit for the Warriors on paper.

[HumbleRen]

Warriors should had draft Wagner...no point taking another raw project when they trying to win

Sucks, I think warriors may had drafted giddey if it wasn't for okc

quick question, what about kuminga and moody?

hows the warriors light yea plan going?

wagner looks good

Kuminga looks a year away from being a year away, not a bad thing, just highlights how raw he is from playing winning basketball.

I'm more surprised at Moody not getting much PT. He seems like a great fit for the Warriors on paper.

I can't blame them for picking Kuminga, he has the size, athleticism and handles to eventually become a great player if he develops correctly. He's the long term play, I think they knew he wasn't going to contribute to winning basketball for Steph's window when they selected him.

[DroseReturnChi]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

is this a joke? cavs better with barnes? they are only a 500 team bc of him. scottie is putting up numbers but mobley is their defensive anchor he is not replaceable even if lebron/AD came. mobley doesnt have elite numbers but he will produce wins.
they dont even need a wing because mobley can guard 3-5 and lauri is good enough to start while okoro backs up needing all the development minutes. most 3 and D wings are overrated mikal and og barely gives 15 ppg. cavs fo designed this i was naive too to think they had a massive hole they already figured out in training camp.

[anotherhomer]

Warriors should had draft Wagner...no point taking another raw project when they trying to win

Sucks, I think warriors may had drafted giddey if it wasn't for okc

Kuminga looks a year away from being a year away, not a bad thing, just highlights how raw he is from playing winning basketball.

I'm more surprised at Moody not getting much PT. He seems like a great fit for the Warriors on paper.

I can't blame them for picking Kuminga, he has the size, athleticism and handles to eventually become a great player if he develops correctly. He's the long term play, I think they knew he wasn't going to contribute to winning basketball for Steph's window when they selected him.

Both wiseman and kuminga need burn

[Bruin]

Crazy part of Mobley/Barnes is that I think both teams would be better if they traded the two for each other based on their current roster construction. Cavs could use a playmaking defensive SF while the Raptors could use a defensive anchor at C.

I understand both provide more than what I just stated but what do you think about the hypothetical Barnes/Mobley swap?

Raptors: Fred - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mobley

Cavs: Garland - Sexton - Barnes - Markkenen - Allen

is this a joke? cavs better with barnes? they are only a 500 team bc of him. scottie is putting up numbers but mobley is their defensive anchor he is not replaceable even if lebron/AD came. mobley doesnt have elite numbers but he will produce wins.
they dont even need a wing because mobley can guard 3-5 and lauri is good enough to start while okoro backs up needing all the development minutes. most 3 and D wings are overrated mikal and og barely gives 15 ppg. cavs fo designed this i was naive too to think they had a massive hole they already figured out in training camp.

I mean yeah that’s fair but at the same time I don’t think the Raptors would have a winning record without Scottie. We’d probably be 2-5 at best instead of 4-3 without Scottie

Both Mobley and Scottie are impacting their teams immediately which is awesome for both fan bases

[xdrta+]

Warriors should had draft Wagner...no point taking another raw project when they trying to win

Sucks, I think warriors may had drafted giddey if it wasn't for okc

I can't blame them for picking Kuminga, he has the size, athleticism and handles to eventually become a great player if he develops correctly. He's the long term play, I think they knew he wasn't going to contribute to winning basketball for Steph's window when they selected him.

Both wiseman and kuminga need burn

That may take a while, since Wiseman is still out for another month or so, recovering from knee surgery, and Kuminga played a few minutes of garbage time last night after missing the first 3 games with a knee injury.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Warriors should had draft Wagner...no point taking another raw project when they trying to win

Sucks, I think warriors may had drafted giddey if it wasn't for okc

quick question, what about kuminga and moody?

hows the warriors light yea plan going?

wagner looks good

Kuminga looks a year away from being a year away, not a bad thing, just highlights how raw he is from playing winning basketball.

I'm more surprised at Moody not getting much PT. He seems like a great fit for the Warriors on paper.

I don't think they wanted Moody, I think it was Giddey or Kuminga with their first pick, and then they wanted Duarte with the 14, but the Pacers took him.

[DCasey91]

I think AD’s rookie season is a great starting point for Mobley’s production.

13.5/8/1 with 1.2 steals and 1.8 blocks a game on 51.6% shooting on 10 FGA. I’d expect Mobley to have the 3 stocks as well. Assist numbers around 2.5 and that’s a great start to his career.

He will have low scoring games (sub 10) but I’m not worried about that.