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MarcusBrody wrote:Watching the responses, I feel like the next time the NBA is struggling with how to market one of their foreign, small market stars, they'll just have him beat down a Morris twin.
bbalnation wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:bbalnation wrote:
I got that out of the two examples because you once again, brought up Markieffs brother. In the post, right before, you said: "People dislike Morris M&M because of their long and continuing history of dirty non-basketball aggressiveness".
It was me trying to say: hey, imagine having to be publically responsible for the mistakes of your loved one. That doesn't make much sense, does it?
As for what the 45 pages are about, this notion that "its a dirty player getting bested by his tactics" would be appropriate if we knew how long he's out for. You should reread the posts, with that in mind. Its obvious right away that we don't know how long he'll be out (or if he'll out)- thats the thing with the neck : it **** dangerous.
But hey, keep defending and justifying the misdirected anger, and then saying you're not justifying it.
But the point of examples of both brothers have nothing to do with one brother being responsible for actions of another. Rather they're given because of the kinds of fouls that are bad. It's like when a team has a collection of players who foul badly, like Laimbeer and Mahorn did back in the day. None of it was intended as someone being responsible for mistakes of another. That's all I have to say about that.
And you're imputing motives in saying I'm justifying anything. It's not misdirected anger, it's directed at the guy who has a history of non-basketball dirty plays. So explaining why Jokic retaliated even if it's not condoned is different than a redirect that tries to minimize it. And explaining why there's a cathartic feeling about Morris being hoisted by his own petard is also not justifying nor minimizing the impact of either player's physical act.
This exchange started out with levels of intent to injure, you putting Morris in the 'he didn't want to injure they guy' category, me in the 'didn't injure' doesn't mean 'didn't intend to injure' lane.
Then it shifted to your assertion of well most people want Morris to be hurt when it's really about his getting the feel of his own actions. It's possible for the satisfaction of the one without the desire for another. Few are conflating the two here.
I think the intensity of the anger is what's misdirected. There's a reason why people express their hate more loudly for guys like Morris than Bill, or even other less expressive (but dirtier) players than Markieff. I digress.
MarcusBrody wrote:Watching the responses, I feel like the next time the NBA is struggling with how to market one of their foreign, small market stars, they'll just have him beat down a Morris twin.
GREY 1769 wrote:bbalnation wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:But the point of examples of both brothers have nothing to do with one brother being responsible for actions of another. Rather they're given because of the kinds of fouls that are bad. It's like when a team has a collection of players who foul badly, like Laimbeer and Mahorn did back in the day. None of it was intended as someone being responsible for mistakes of another. That's all I have to say about that.
And you're imputing motives in saying I'm justifying anything. It's not misdirected anger, it's directed at the guy who has a history of non-basketball dirty plays. So explaining why Jokic retaliated even if it's not condoned is different than a redirect that tries to minimize it. And explaining why there's a cathartic feeling about Morris being hoisted by his own petard is also not justifying nor minimizing the impact of either player's physical act.
This exchange started out with levels of intent to injure, you putting Morris in the 'he didn't want to injure they guy' category, me in the 'didn't injure' doesn't mean 'didn't intend to injure' lane.
Then it shifted to your assertion of well most people want Morris to be hurt when it's really about his getting the feel of his own actions. It's possible for the satisfaction of the one without the desire for another. Few are conflating the two here.
I think the intensity of the anger is what's misdirected. There's a reason why people express their hate more loudly for guys like Morris than Bill, or even other less expressive (but dirtier) players than Markieff. I digress.
Can you be explicit in stating what you think that reason is?
YouTube has Laimbeer videos as the dirtiest player ever. Interviews with players have Laimbeer as the dirtiest player. A former player has explicitly expressed his hatred for Laimbeer in this thread. There's no evidence for Morris hate being louder than for Laimbeer in the broader sense. In the context of this thread yes sure the hate for Morris is loud because it pertains specifically to this exchange with Jokic and Jokic's retaliation.
But then again this isn't a thread comparing hatred for Laimbeer versus Morris. If there were one, Laimbeer would win it.
bbalnation wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:bbalnation wrote:
I think the intensity of the anger is what's misdirected. There's a reason why people express their hate more loudly for guys like Morris than Bill, or even other less expressive (but dirtier) players than Markieff. I digress.
Can you be explicit in stating what you think that reason is?
YouTube has Laimbeer videos as the dirtiest player ever. Interviews with players have Laimbeer as the dirtiest player. A former player has explicitly expressed his hatred for Laimbeer in this thread. There's no evidence for Morris hate being louder than for Laimbeer in the broader sense. In the context of this thread yes sure the hate for Morris is loud because it pertains specifically to this exchange with Jokic and Jokic's retaliation.
But then again this isn't a thread comparing hatred for Laimbeer versus Morris. If there were one, Laimbeer would win it.
One example: do you think Markieff Morris will have the same access to a coaching gig as Bill Laimbeer, who leveraged his playing career? I think in today's world, Markieff would have some challenges.
Whether because of familiarity (we're more comfortable around people who think and look like us), public perception, where he was raised, how he chooses to present himself, etc.
We're not talking about jobs. But if we acknowledge that could be a realistic possibility, then isnt it possible that fans & certain media outlets tend to express their anger a bit more for certain players more than others? There's bias in media. There's bias in perspective.
AussieCeltic wrote:Ben-N1ce wrote:
Morris should get a game as well. His hit was just as bad and he was the instigator. Be better NBA
ReKon wrote:I am not sure what has been discussed for 50 pages on this and I sure won't read all 50 of them.
Shaq and Chuck pretty much summed it up. If you want to do what Morris did then don't turn around because you are getting hit either way. If a dude does what Morris did and then just keeps on walking like he did nothing I am not going to run all the way in front of him, he better be ready for what's about to happen. It's a cheap shot for a cheap shot, Jokic just dished it out with more force.
Jokic sent his message yesterday that you better stop testing me like I am some kind of sample. He had the kind of reaction the kind natured bullied kid has when he finally snaps it almost felt like.
I am also laughing at all the extra fake tough guy stuff the Heat and Marcus Morris have been doing since yesterday. Like Lowry and Adebayo are going to do anything. Or Jimmy is going to walk up to Jokic and do something, most probably get the Nene treatment.
Suspend them both, you want to suspend Jokic for an extra game because of the retalliation that's fine.
ReKon wrote:I am not sure what has been discussed for 50 pages on this and I sure won't read all 50 of them.
Shaq and Chuck pretty much summed it up. If you want to do what Morris did then don't turn around because you are getting hit either way. If a dude does what Morris did and then just keeps on walking like he did nothing I am not going to run all the way in front of him, he better be ready for what's about to happen. It's a cheap shot for a cheap shot, Jokic just dished it out with more force.
Jokic sent his message yesterday that you better stop testing me like I am some kind of sample. He had the kind of reaction the kind natured bullied kid has when he finally snaps it almost felt like.
I am also laughing at all the extra fake tough guy stuff the Heat and Marcus Morris have been doing since yesterday. Like Lowry and Adebayo are going to do anything. Or Jimmy is going to walk up to Jokic and do something, most probably get the Nene treatment.
Suspend them both, you want to suspend Jokic for an extra game because of the retalliation that's fine.
bbalnation wrote:Ben-N1ce wrote:
Theres a history there with Jokic:
Thought they would go for 2-4 games for Nikola, and maybe give Markieff 1. Guess they figured the hit was enough for him.
Man, I imagine guys like SJax, Ron Arrest, Al Harrington, etc who got suspended left right and centre for way less are probably so confused by this 1 game Nikola suspension lol.
Texas Chuck wrote:Sedale Threatt wrote:J_T wrote:I also have to say that I am disgusted by this statement: "You might deem that maybe as a little bit more than just slapping somebody, but after watching it on film, it was a take foul. That's how I saw it. And the play after, that's just absolutely uncalled for."
Coaches not calling Morris' bros' crap for what it is, is pretty much enabling and encouraging them to do it again.
If that’s Spoelstra, he’s in an impossible position. Even if he doesn’t believe what he’s saying, he’s got to have his guy’s back or he’s taking a big risk with the locker room. So pretty much every coach is going to say that.
Yeah Spo is saying what he needs to say publicly. And my guess is he pulled Morris aside and told him to knock it off, we need you on the court, can't risk your health/suspension blah blah blah.
I got zero issues with Spo's comments.
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