NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

Maybe if you’re comparing two teams from the same conference. But you can’t say a team from the west and a team from the east have equal strength of schedule.

[Special_Puppy]

Luckiest 16 4 playoff run ever. You make it so easy thank you.

How is a run where they outscored their opponents by 5+ points in every single series a fluke lol

[PennSports]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

Maybe if you’re comparing two teams from the same conference. But you can’t say a team from the west and a team from the east have equal strength of schedule.

you absolutely can

most years there isnt a team that even hits .51 for the whole season. It all evens out because every team plays each other multiple times. Yea theres a difference between 2 and 3 games a year played vs specific teams but this is beyond nitpicking. Everyone lands between .49 and .51

[Cubbies2120]

Remember when Kendrick klown Perkins said Jokic was stat padding triple doubles? He made a big deal out of it on espn. I just want him to be fair and bring that up for Embiid

The whole team cleared the way for him to get one of those rebounds.

Makes sense until you realize that jokic was one of leaders in the league in contested rebounds. Got anything else?

I think he was talking about Embiid's rebound last night, not Jokic

[MiltownMadness]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

Teams with really good records always have the weakest SOS because they dont have to face themselves

Anyways, right now its

Embiid
Giannis
Jokic

Jokic playing well below his standards and his team is playing the worst of the 3. This order seems pretty clear to me right now

[Special_Puppy]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

Teams with really good records always have the weakest SOS because they dont have to face themselves

Anyways, right now its

Embiid
Giannis
Jokic

Jokic playing well below his standards and his team is playing the worst of the 3. This order seems pretty clear to me right now

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

[MiltownMadness]

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

Teams with really good records always have the weakest SOS because they dont have to face themselves

Anyways, right now its

Embiid
Giannis
Jokic

Jokic playing well below his standards and his team is playing the worst of the 3. This order seems pretty clear to me right now

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

[Special_Puppy]

Teams with really good records always have the weakest SOS because they dont have to face themselves

Anyways, right now its

Embiid
Giannis
Jokic

Jokic playing well below his standards and his team is playing the worst of the 3. This order seems pretty clear to me right now

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

If you look at something like Elo that weighs recent games more heavily then you still see the same 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks rank order. Wouldn't be surprised if the Bucks finished 3 wins ahead of the Nuggets by the end of the season though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CsPkNuDvHunzTiNeqSq_QC9Nr2f4Ioco2wUggJ9VQsI/edit#gid=388847371

[MiltownMadness]

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

If you look at something like Elo that weighs recent games more heavily then you still see the same 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks rank order https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CsPkNuDvHunzTiNeqSq_QC9Nr2f4Ioco2wUggJ9VQsI/edit#gid=388847371

You managed to completely ignore what I said and give me an even more garbage advanced stat, that's actually kind of hilarious so props there

How about this stat?

Bucks 21-7
Nuggets 20-10

Which record is better

This is with Bucks integrating Dame and rookie head coach btw

[Special_Puppy]

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

If you look at something like Elo that weighs recent games more heavily then you still see the same 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks rank order https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CsPkNuDvHunzTiNeqSq_QC9Nr2f4Ioco2wUggJ9VQsI/edit#gid=388847371

You managed to completely ignore what I said and give me an even more garbage advanced stat, that's actually kind of hilarious so props there

How about this stat?

Bucks 21-7
Nuggets 20-10

Which record is better

This is with Bucks integrating Dame and rookie head coach btw

Adjusted Net Point Differential and Elo are much more predictive and descriptive measures of team success than raw wins and losses

[MiltownMadness]

If you look at something like Elo that weighs recent games more heavily then you still see the same 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks rank order https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CsPkNuDvHunzTiNeqSq_QC9Nr2f4Ioco2wUggJ9VQsI/edit#gid=388847371

You managed to completely ignore what I said and give me an even more garbage advanced stat, that's actually kind of hilarious so props there

How about this stat?

Bucks 21-7
Nuggets 20-10

Which record is better

This is with Bucks integrating Dame and rookie head coach btw

Adjusted Net Point Differential and Elo are much more predictive and descriptive measures of team success than raw wins and losses

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

[Special_Puppy]

You managed to completely ignore what I said and give me an even more garbage advanced stat, that's actually kind of hilarious so props there

How about this stat?

Bucks 21-7
Nuggets 20-10

Which record is better

This is with Bucks integrating Dame and rookie head coach btw

Adjusted Net Point Differential and Elo are much more predictive and descriptive measures of team success than raw wins and losses

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

Would you say that Bucks have been a better team than the 76ers so far because their raw win % as been higher?

[iggymcfrack]

Teams with really good records always have the weakest SOS because they dont have to face themselves

Anyways, right now its

Embiid
Giannis
Jokic

Jokic playing well below his standards and his team is playing the worst of the 3. This order seems pretty clear to me right now

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

Sure, the Bucks are playing better since they dumped Griffin's garbage defensive system they started the year with. The Nuggets are also playing a lot better since they've had a somewhat healthy Murray. They're 4-1 their last 5 games (Murray's consecutive games played streak) with a point differential of +62 and their only loss being by 1 to the best RS team in the West.

[MiltownMadness]

I don't agree that the Nuggets are playing the worst of the three. Nuggets are ahead of the Bucks in adjusted net point differential. Pretty clear rank order of 76ers>Nuggets>Bucks this early in the regular season

https://dunksandthrees.com/

Bucks are on a very clear upward trend after starting the season slow with a new rookie coach and Dame acquisition. Winners of 7 straight and winning in dominant fashion. Leave it to the Jokic fan to ignore all context in favor of advanced stats. Nuggets have 3 more losses and less wins as well, like, let's be serious for a second

Sure, the Bucks are playing better since they dumped Griffin's garbage defensive system they started the year with. The Nuggets are also playing a lot better since they've had a somewhat healthy Murray. They're 4-1 their last 5 games (Murray's consecutive games played streak) with a point differential of +62 and their only loss being by 1 to the best RS team in the West.

Middleton has been on a minutes restriction all season, and Bucks are destroying teams when Khris plays. Now that he is healthy and off the restriction the Bucks look that much more dangerous. Bucks have a significantly better record with a list of things they had to overcome

[Cubbies2120]

You managed to completely ignore what I said and give me an even more garbage advanced stat, that's actually kind of hilarious so props there

How about this stat?

Bucks 21-7
Nuggets 20-10

Which record is better

This is with Bucks integrating Dame and rookie head coach btw

Adjusted Net Point Differential and Elo are much more predictive and descriptive measures of team success than raw wins and losses

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

Returning chip roster*
[Murray missing half his games, 6th man Brown being gone]

If you're arguing that Reggie Jackson (2nd year, after struggling last year) > Damian Lillard (as a 1st year integration), then oh boy...

[MiltownMadness]

Adjusted Net Point Differential and Elo are much more predictive and descriptive measures of team success than raw wins and losses

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

Returning chip roster*
[Murray missing half his games, 6th man Brown being gone]

If you're arguing that Reggie Jackson (2nd year, after struggling last year) > Damian Lillard (as a 1st year integration), then oh boy...

Comparing Murray missing 12 games to the laundry list of things Bucks had to overcome has to be a joke. And Nuggets are 3 worse in the loss column, what are we talking about?

[Cubbies2120]

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

Returning chip roster*
[Murray missing half his games, 6th man Brown being gone]

If you're arguing that Reggie Jackson (2nd year, after struggling last year) > Damian Lillard (as a 1st year integration), then oh boy...

Comparing Murray missing 12 games to the laundry list of things Bucks had to overcome has to be a joke. And Nuggets are 3 worse in the loss column, what are we talking about?

A quick google search would have shown 14 games?

Also love how you ignored the 2nd part as well...

Going from 6th man of Bruce Brown to Christian Braun is the same championship team?
Going from Jamal Murray to Reggie Jackson is the same championship team?

Cmon bruh. I'm guessing the embarrassment of losing to the 8th seed has you a lil extra motivated to defend Giannis' honor, so I'll give you a pass

[MiltownMadness]

Returning chip roster*
[Murray missing half his games, 6th man Brown being gone]

If you're arguing that Reggie Jackson (2nd year, after struggling last year) > Damian Lillard (as a 1st year integration), then oh boy...

Comparing Murray missing 12 games to the laundry list of things Bucks had to overcome has to be a joke. And Nuggets are 3 worse in the loss column, what are we talking about?

A quick google search would have shown 14 games?

Also love how you ignored the 2nd part as well...

Going from 6th man of Bruce Brown to Christian Braun is the same championship team?
Going from Jamal Murray to Reggie Jackson is the same championship team?

Cmon bruh. I'm guessing the embarrassment of losing to the 8th seed has you a lil extra motivated to defend Giannis' honor, so I'll give you a pass

I literally ranked Embiid ahead of Giannis in my original post if you bothered to read.

And projection much? Today was the 1st time I've opened an MVP discussion thread in probably 4 years, meanwhile you seem to be the most active poster in this thread and have Jokic BPM in your signature. Do better and have a VERY merry christmas

[RB34]

There is no thread like the MVP thread. It always brings the heat.

[iggymcfrack]

I'm sorry but it's like I'm talking to a robot, you are just ignoring context and missing the center of the discussion.

This is an MVP ranking, we are talking about right now. Those stats are fine and dandy but no one will take you serious if you look at a 21-7 record vs a 20-10 record then pull out advanced stats to explain why the guy on the inferior team is ahead in MVP. It really doesn't make any sense in this discussion, as you are ignoring context (Dame, Griffin, while Nuggets have returning chip roster) and just dismissing what is right in front of your eyes. Have a very Merry Christmas friend

Returning chip roster*
[Murray missing half his games, 6th man Brown being gone]

If you're arguing that Reggie Jackson (2nd year, after struggling last year) > Damian Lillard (as a 1st year integration), then oh boy...

Comparing Murray missing 12 games to the laundry list of things Bucks had to overcome has to be a joke. And Nuggets are 3 worse in the loss column, what are we talking about?

Well I wasn’t talking about their record. I was talking about how good the teams are. The predictive measures all have the Nuggets ahead despite missing their second best player for over half the season which is apparently nothing compared to the Bucks’ **** coach learning on the job and Middleton being exactly as healthy as he’s been for the last 2 years.