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"I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty," said Wade, a Richards grad who added he has been a Bulls fan for a long time. "I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball … how loyal they are. I don't know about the Bulls."

"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. … You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."

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Interesting for him to say this, but I'd like to know what the entire context of this conversation was about given the way the media spins things. I guess this is his way of recruiting LeBron and giving Chicago the big FU.

Sorry Chicago, I think this its pretty clear tbat hes DEFINETELY not going to chicago

Yeah, this dashed any dreams of Wade being a back up option top Lebron.

Wade is 100% wrong on this. The Bulls are toooo loyal. John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Pete Meyers, Randy Brown, etc. The Bulls take care of ex players to the point of hurting themselves.

Stupid question wade. Aside from Being the GOAT of basketball. Jordan was a terrible human being. Chicago was better to keep that gambling addict away from their organization.

Pippen actually did come back to the Bulls to retire. Point is moot.

Sucks that he said it, and he's wrong.


Does anyone else find it hilarious that the serial adulterer said

I am a very loyal person

?

Stupid answer, but I think he just wanted to make it clear that there's no way he's going to Chicago.

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Sucks that he said it, and he's wrong.


Does anyone else find it hilarious that the serial adulterer said

I am a very loyal person

?

Consider... that he thinks the GOAT is a role model.

I think he's saying he wants a part of the organization like other retired greats get in some organizations (Drob comes straight to mind).

I'm pretty sure this season of celebrity rehab just ended. They should hire Rodman as the head coach, show Dwade how loyal they really are.

Yeah.. since the heat retire so many numbers... Loyal amirite.

Hey Wade, what is Tim Hardaway doing or Eddie Jones? As far as I know they spent a couple of years playing for the Heat.

Coldfish said it already, but the Bulls usually take care of their players. The incidents between Krause and players like Jordan, Pippen or Grant might be still in the minds, but Krause isn't working for the Bulls anymore.

coldfish wrote:Yeah, this dashed any dreams of Wade being a back up option top Lebron.

Wade is 100% wrong on this. The Bulls are toooo loyal. John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Pete Meyers, Randy Brown, etc. The Bulls take care of ex players to the point of hurting themselves.

Well, it seems to me that the players that had to svck up the hardest to the organization are the very few ones treated with loyalty, but the real impacting players like MJ, Pippen etc. are nowhere to be seen with the Bulls.

Wade has his own legacy, so you assumption that he needs Lebron for anything other than to help each other win multiple championships is as false as the statement of the Bulls being a loyal organization.

At this point, Lebron is the one that needs Wade to keep his GOAT status real , you know, multiple championships and all.

fishfuego. wrote:Well, it seems to me that the players that had to svck up the hardest to the organization are the very few ones treated with loyalty, but the real impacting players like MJ, Pippen etc. are nowhere to be seen with the Bulls.

Well, Pippen came back to the Bulls in 2003. After he retired as a Bull, he worked for them as an analyst. Later he choose to work for media companys, he wasn't fired by the Bulls or so. It was Pippen's decision to do something else.

Jordan went on after they couldn't reach an agreement with Krause for the 98/99 season. Well, and as Jordan finally bought the Bobcats he talked to Reinsdorf about ownership. It is not like he wouldn't have a place in the organization by now, but I can't imagine Reinsdorf would have sold him parts of the Bulls. I guess that is what Jordan wanted, be an owner of a franchise.

mysticbb wrote:

fishfuego. wrote:Well, it seems to me that the players that had to svck up the hardest to the organization are the very few ones treated with loyalty, but the real impacting players like MJ, Pippen etc. are nowhere to be seen with the Bulls.

Well, Pippen came back to the Bulls in 2003. After he retired as a Bull, he worked for them as an analyst. Later he choose to work for media companys, he wasn't fired by the Bulls or so. It was Pippen's decision to do something else.

Jordan went on after they couldn't reach an agreement with Krause for the 98/99 season. Well, and as Jordan finally bought the Bobcats he talked to Reinsdorf about ownership. It is not like he wouldn't have a place in the organization by now, but I can't imagine Reinsdorf would have sold him parts of the Bulls. I guess that is what Jordan wanted, be an owner of a franchise.

We all know about the cheap Bulls owner and how he refused to pay Pippen his money.. Tim was about to get a job with the Heat and then pull that gay crap that hurt his chances with the NBA in general..Miami in the other hand paid a broken and useless Tim Hardaway his 10 million dollars on his final year, even though he was a one legged old man .. that's a big difference in treatment if you ask me.

Is he really using this as a reason to not sign with a team? I've never heard of any basketball player making that kind of decision based on "what will the organization do for me when I retire".

fishfuego. wrote:

coldfish wrote:Yeah, this dashed any dreams of Wade being a back up option top Lebron.

Wade is 100% wrong on this. The Bulls are toooo loyal. John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Pete Meyers, Randy Brown, etc. The Bulls take care of ex players to the point of hurting themselves.

Well, it seems to me that the players that had to svck up the hardest to the organization are the very few ones treated with loyalty, but the real impacting players like MJ, Pippen etc. are nowhere to be seen with the Bulls.

The Bulls gave Pippen a nice sign and trade deal when he left, then gave him a two year MLE deal after his knees were shot to come back. They have wanted him to be an assistant coach, but he refuses as he thinks he should go right to head coach.

Let's be honest, this is about MJ. Apparently giving him a statue isn't sufficient slobbering. MJ wanted to get part of the team when he retired, but that's really not possible. People think JR owns the Bulls, but he doesn't. He is a minority owner. The team is actually owned by a bunch of random investors who weren't about to give up pieces.

fishfuego. wrote:

mysticbb wrote:

fishfuego. wrote:Well, it seems to me that the players that had to svck up the hardest to the organization are the very few ones treated with loyalty, but the real impacting players like MJ, Pippen etc. are nowhere to be seen with the Bulls.

Well, Pippen came back to the Bulls in 2003. After he retired as a Bull, he worked for them as an analyst. Later he choose to work for media companys, he wasn't fired by the Bulls or so. It was Pippen's decision to do something else.

Jordan went on after they couldn't reach an agreement with Krause for the 98/99 season. Well, and as Jordan finally bought the Bobcats he talked to Reinsdorf about ownership. It is not like he wouldn't have a place in the organization by now, but I can't imagine Reinsdorf would have sold him parts of the Bulls. I guess that is what Jordan wanted, be an owner of a franchise.

We all know about the cheap Bulls owner and how he refused to pay Pippen his money.. Tim was about to get a job with the Heat and then pull that gay crap that hurt his chances with the NBA in general..Miami in the other hand paid a broken and useless Tim Hardaway his 10 million dollars on his final year, even though he was a one legged old man .. that's a big difference in treatment if you ask me.

Apparently everyone but you that is. Pippen signed a deal that his agent negotiated and that the Bulls told him would be a bad deal in a few years - Pippen wanted the security of a long term deal and signed it - it was a great deal for the Bulls so of course they accepted it.

Then after the 98/99 championship the Bulls paid Pippen a crap load of money and traded him to the team he wanted to go to (the Rockets) as a favor to Pippen.

Then they brought back Pip as a player and paid him the MLE even though he was done.

Then they hired him as an analyst.

Then they asked him to be an assistant.

They also paid Jay Williams his full contract after his motorcycle crash.

They brought back Randy Brown and created a position for him when they found out he was going to sell his championship ring.


But the problem is that there are unfortunately plenty of people out there like you who have no idea what the truth is. Perception is reality - and tha'ts unfortunate because its not the truth.





*Damn you Coldfish - I didn't see you had already posted.

mysticbb wrote:Hey Wade, what is Tim Hardaway doing or Eddie Jones? As far as I know they spent a couple of years playing for the Heat.

Coldfish said it already, but the Bulls usually take care of their players. The incidents between Krause and players like Jordan, Pippen or Grant might be still in the minds, but Krause isn't working for the Bulls anymore.

Tim Hardaway is always at the games and doing something with the Heat. I don't know what his official capacity is if it is any, but he was on pitching season tickets to the fans. Heck they just retired his number this past year. Alonzo works for the Heat in the player development area.

As for Eddie Jones. I've seen him at a few games and he's been interviewed at halftime but I don't think he does anything with the Heat. Maybe he doesn't want to? Keith Askins is a former player and he's currently an assistant coach for Miami.

fishfuego. wrote:We all know about the cheap Bulls owner and how he refused to pay Pippen his money.

That is not entirely true. Krause thought that trading Pippen in order to aquire young players would put the Bulls in a better position for the 2000 free agency. Pippen wanted a deal which was longer than that and wouldn't have allowed the Bulls to get one of those players (like Duncan, Hill, etc.). And the Bulls paid Jordan 63 Mio. Dollar, by far the most money in 1997 and 1998 as they had the opportunity to do so.
Also Pippen got a $77m for 5 years in a S&T to a team he wanted to go. The Bulls took back a lot of crap in that deal with the Rockets.

fishfuego. wrote:. Tim was about to get a job with the Heat and then pull that gay crap that hurt his chances with the NBA in general..Miami in the other hand paid a broken and useless Tim Hardaway his 10 million dollars on his final year, even though he was a one legged old man .. that's a big difference in treatment if you ask me.

What? Pippen got a $10.3m contract in 2003 after he was already done. The Bulls actually wanted him as an assistant coach, but Pippen choose to do something else. coldfish is saying that he wanted a job as a head coach, not quite sure about that, but it wasn't the Bulls organization which didn't offer a job to Pippen. Really, Wade is badly wrong about that.

Heat3 wrote:Maybe he doesn't want to?

This. It is complete fine. The Bulls offered Pippen a job after his retirement, he wanted to do something different. It seems like Jordan wanted to be an owner of a franchise, which just isn't possible with the Bulls. Thus saying the organization isn't loyal based on the facts that Jordan and Pippen aren't there anymore is just wrong.