Why has Wade been so awful against the Celtics?

WD · Post #21 » by WD » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:52 pm

This whole team is disjointed - we have made Lebron the playmaker and are now forcing everyone else to adjust

Post #22 » by **Flash3** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:54 pm

WD wrote:This whole team is disjointed - we have made Lebron the playmaker and are now forcing everyone else to adjust

This and LeBron is trying to do everything now, and I don't think it makes us better.

Wade is struggling because he's not getting the ball in the same spots as he's gotten against Boston before, which was at the top of the key to look down the defense and see where the pressure is coming from.

He's getting it from the side elbows and this seems to be a needed adjustment for him and he's still yet to make it, hence the 3 turnovers he had in the 2nd quarter all came from the left hand side of the floor.

You can get away with pure talent when you're playing the Knicks, Sixers, Bobcats and other subpar defensive teams, but when you're playing a team as good as Boston, you need more than just talent but discipline and patience.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #23 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:54 pm

Wade is playing on completely different spots now .... hes always baseline now and has the ball a lot less... its different than what hes used to.

Wade at the top in the middle of the floor was unstoppable against the Celtics last year .. but he cant play that game anymore, hes gonna have to get used to this.

Trill_Og81 · Post #24 » by **Trill_Og81** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:57 pm

do what most heat fans do blame lebron

and i thought bron fans come up with crazy excuses lol

Post #25 » by **Flash3** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:00 pm

Trill_Og81 wrote:do what most heat fans do blame lebron

and i thought bron fans come up with crazy excuses lol

Are you even reading anything or making baseless assumptions? No one is placing blame on LeBron but simply saying that his style play as of late is not contributing to team success, including Wade's.

Trill_Og81 · Post #26 » by **Trill_Og81** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:03 pm

and wade style of play as of late not contributing to team success

nyk_buc · Post #27 » by **nyk_buc** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:18 pm

you really think coach spo or anybody wants wade to have a lesser role than before? wade can get any shot he wants, at any time. he's their scorer.

it's up to him. it's not that lebron is doing everything. it's b/c wade has regressed this past month that has caused lebron to do a little bit more.

if wade is hot, lebron is willing to let the guy shoot anytime he wants (ala vs the knicks) or vs detroit just the night before.

what i'm seeing with wade is he is TOTALLY stinking with his midrange jumper this year, which force him to drive and drive and drive. vs great defensive teams like the celtics, they will shut the paint down.

wade has to get that midrange J back. and PLEASE do something when you don't score.

lebron's point per game has gone down this month in february, along with his assists. he WANTS to trust his teammates more. so don't tell me lebron is trying to do everything and anything

wade has to start doing his own thing. no one is stopping him.

Post #28 » by **Flash3** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:33 pm

Wade's mid-range game has been off for nearly a year and a half now....not sure why, because he's in tremendous shape.

nyk_buc · Post #29 » by **nyk_buc** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:37 pm

Flash3 wrote:Wade's mid-range game has been off for nearly a year and a half now....not sure why, because he's in tremendous shape.

it was still at least respectable last year, and he would shoot them with cofidence when teams sag off of him after he kills them with his drive.

i think it's all up to wade if he wants to do well vs the elite. with lebron sharing the ball, he won't get the ball at all of his normal spots. but that shouldn't stop a great player like wade from dominating vs the great defensive teams. in fact, it should make his life easier since boston and other teams are more focused on stopping lebron.

if he cuts and pops for a midrange J, bam. but he never does that. he either shoots a 3 or goes all the way to the rack. so it's up to wade to solve this. get that midrange J back to respectability and he'll open up more lanes from whatever spot he gets the ball from

StrawberryShake · Post #30 » by **StrawberryShake** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:48 pm

wasnt focused on scoring in the 2nd quarter hence the horrid jump-passes and turnovers. that really took him off his game.
once wade is out of his groove its really difficult for him to reestablish a rhythm unless he gets alot of touches or you piss him off.

in yesterdays case the heat couldnt afford to let him chuck those ugly contested jumpers, combined with bostons PnR defense, they made it really hard for him to do what he did to them in last years playoffs.

if the heat want any chance of beating boston they gotta have wade as the primary scorer.
next game i expect him to get the majority of the plays ran for him and early. against boston lebron has to be the facilitator, at least early in the game.

yCH · Post #31 » by **yCH** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:26 pm

Not sure why people didn't mention this. But didn't people thought that last years Heat vs Celtics playoffs, the Celtics focused on shutting everyone down and letting Wade get his? I mean, look at his roster last year. I honestly thought that was the plan. And it worked perfectly as they won in 5.

This year, they are more focused on shutting down Wade and letting Lebron get his.

Spanish_Laker · Post #32 » by **Spanish_Laker** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:27 pm

Because he can't get past the Boston defense and also due to his poor outside jumper. He should focus on playing defense and let LeBron, the absolute leader of the Miami Heat, carry the load offensively.

thegreatblaze · Post #33 » by **thegreatblaze** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:41 pm

As time goes on I more think the Heat should try to trade Wade for a Ray Allen type player (not sure who though) to better compliment Lebron. He's clearly outshined Wade so far in Miami and it's sort of redundant pair them together because their games are similar. They get by on talent now but i'm not sure it will work in the playoffs. Wade's very close to 30 and I foresee a sharp decline in his production once his athleticism starts to fade and possibly injuries set in. If they get ousted this year they should think about trading Wade for a young stud who can hit the three and compliments Lebron and Bosh.

coolnerd88 · Post #34 » by **coolnerd88** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:48 pm

WD said it best...nobody is forcing Lebron too change his game while everybody else is being force to change theirs and it's hurting the team.

The day a coach FORCES LEBRON to run actual sets...develop a post game...catch the ball in different spots.....create ball movement....ie everything Lebron ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH and never tries to do...
is the day he becomes unstoppable by like...ALOT and our team becomes what it was always suppose to be unbeatable

If it's going to be an adjustment EVERYONE needs to go through it because what's going to happen is...Wade and co will get tired running Cleveland's offense and it will hurt us against Elite teams like it has already. I don't even want to think about the playoffs until we get a handle on this thing.

coolnerd88 · Post #35 » by **coolnerd88** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:50 pm

Or you could trade Wade for a 3 point specialist........

I mean thats what it's eventually going to come too. Wade's going to become the forgotten child and find a new home, unfortuantely he won't be done like people swear he will and it will be just something else my team Miami has to do with

Bled · Post #36 » by **Bled** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:28 am

Im not a coach in the NBA, but Im guessing that theres good reason why Lebron gets the ball at the top of the key and gets to assess the situation to make a play.

Wade said it best that he wanted Lebron to play Lebron basketball. That was the basketball player he fell in love with.

People seriously act like the Miami offense is different when Wade runs it though. Wade will get the ball at the 3pt line, PnR, then drive or shoot a jumpshot. Thats how Miamis offense has been used with their star players for the past 3 years.

Wade has been awful because he hasnt picked his spots to shoot the midrange j. Lebron's midrange shot has improved so much, it amazing that I thought he couldnt shoot 2 years ago.

I like what other people were saying that Boston's defense lets the best player play their game and shuts down the rest of the team. The difference between this year and last year is that Wade is not the best player on the team anymore.

All the players have been making adjustments, LEBRON included. He's been playing in the post more and has learned his spots on the floor to make his midrange more effective. Lebron is playing differently from his years at Cleveland, learning to play off Wade and Bosh. Wade is still one of the best players in the game, but he needs to figure out his spots to make his own midrange as effective as Bosh's and Lebron's.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #37 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:29 am

yCH wrote:Not sure why people didn't mention this. But didn't people thought that last years Heat vs Celtics playoffs, the Celtics focused on shutting everyone down and letting Wade get his? I mean, look at his roster last year. I honestly thought that was the plan. And it worked perfectly as they won in 5.

This year, they are more focused on shutting down Wade and letting Lebron get his.

this is false...

It was the complete opposite. .. Celtics loaded up on Wade, they just couldnt stop him ... wades teammates just werent skilled enough to do anything against the Celtics defense ..

3ballbomber · Post #38 » by **3ballbomber** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:29 am

coolnerd88 wrote:WD said it best...nobody is forcing Lebron too change his game while everybody else is being force to change theirs and it's hurting the team.

The day a coach FORCES LEBRON to run actual sets...develop a post game...catch the ball in different spots.....create ball movement....ie everything Lebron ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH and never tries to do...
is the day he becomes unstoppable by like...ALOT and our team becomes what it was always suppose to be unbeatable

If it's going to be an adjustment EVERYONE needs to go through it because what's going to happen is...Wade and co will get tired running Cleveland's offense and it will hurt us against Elite teams like it has already. I don't even want to think about the playoffs until we get a handle on this thing.

indeed

StrawberryShake · Post #39 » by **StrawberryShake** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:36 am

TheGreatBlaze wrote:As time goes on I more think the Heat should try to trade Wade for a Ray Allen type player (not sure who though) to better compliment Lebron. THE MEDIA HAS clearly outshined Wade so far in Miami and it's sort of redundant pair them together because their games are similar. They get by on talent now but i'm not sure it will work in the playoffs. Wade's very close to 30 and I foresee a sharp decline in his production once his athleticism starts to fade and possibly injuries set in. If they get ousted this year they should think about trading Wade for a young stud who can hit the three and compliments Lebron and Bosh.

fixed it for you. im no wade homer but please if your not a heat fan or at least someone who has watched 25+ heat games dont speculate like this.

StrawberryShake · Post #40 » by **StrawberryShake** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:38 am

coolnerd88 wrote:Or you could trade Wade for a 3 point specialist........

I mean thats what it's eventually going to come too. Wade's going to become the forgotten child and find a new home, unfortuantely he won't be done like people swear he will and it will be just something else my team Miami has to do with

because mike miller and james jones arent........... :lol:

jesus what a loss can do :roll: