McGrady is the closet thing to a basketball natural ever?

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McGrady is the closet thing to a basketball natural ever? 

Post#1 » by moximus » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:20 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba-330022

During the 2011 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, TMac was singled out by a panel of experts as the single most naturally talented player in the past decade or so. My question is, yes McGrady was great but was he really that all? I would think that Lebron is more of a natural-born bballer than TMac.

As often occurs when discussing abstract ideas, talk turned quickly to a physical example — in this case, McGrady, whose combination of size, speed, power and grace beguiled the NBA in the last years of the 20th century and made him one of the league's most dominant offensive forces in the early years of the 21st.

But while McGrady's abilities were awe-inspiring, his willingness to further cultivate them wasn't, according to panelist and ESPN NBA analyst Jeff Van Gundy, who coached the Florida-born star with the Houston Rockets from 2004 through 2007.

Van Gundy estimated McGrady at "probably 1,000 hours of practice," just one-tenth of Gladwell's rule, a figure that elicited laughter from the crowd. Noting that McGrady was as close to he's ever seen as a basketball natural, Van Gundy went on to say that T-Mac "should be a Hall of Fame player."
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Post#2 » by Sasaki » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:25 am

moximus wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Tracy-McGrady-freakish-talent-and-the-peril-o;_ylt=Amdqn1I0d60B5jue8p2uk6G8vLYF?urn=nba-330022

During the 2011 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, TMac was singled out by a panel of experts as the single most naturally talented player in the past decade or so. My question is, yes McGrady was great but was he really that all? I would think that Lebron is more of a natural-born bballer than TMac.

As often occurs when discussing abstract ideas, talk turned quickly to a physical example — in this case, McGrady, whose combination of size, speed, power and grace beguiled the NBA in the last years of the 20th century and made him one of the league's most dominant offensive forces in the early years of the 21st.

But while McGrady's abilities were awe-inspiring, his willingness to further cultivate them wasn't, according to panelist and ESPN NBA analyst Jeff Van Gundy, who coached the Florida-born star with the Houston Rockets from 2004 through 2007.

Van Gundy estimated McGrady at "probably 1,000 hours of practice," just one-tenth of Gladwell's rule, a figure that elicited laughter from the crowd. Noting that McGrady was as close to he's ever seen as a basketball natural, Van Gundy went on to say that T-Mac "should be a Hall of Fame player."

Well, for starters, Lebron's already accomplished more than T-Mac ever did.

Secondly, yeah, T-Mac was pretty good back then.

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Re: Why is McGrady so highly thought of? 

Post#3 » by LarsV8 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:25 am

Lebron is just more of a physical specimen.

McGrady had a much better BBIQ and more overall talent.
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Post#4 » by High0ctane21 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:26 am

He's 6'8" , was as athletic as any player in the NBA. Could shoot the 3 ball as well as any superstar. He was the complete package. Loved watching him dominate with Orlando for that short period of time.
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Post#5 » by ZaQ- » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:29 am

I felt like there was no jump shot he couldn't make... no matter how contested, how off balance, how far from the hoop (within 30'). He was also a great passer, had tight handle, and was 6'8" but quick enough for a 2 guard. In his prime, he took the Magic to within a game of the 2nd round of the playoffs when their second and third options were Pat Garrity and Darrell Armstrong.

Oh, he also orchestrated the most amazing comeback I've personally ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfuy-eTbxIg
EDIT: damn, someone beat me to it

Then, of course, he was injured, and he basically let the injury end his career by not committing to a recovery.
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Post#6 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:34 am

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I don't know we're even debating this without guys like Wilt & Shaq jumping up to make everyone think "Ah, THAT is what it means to have so much talent you wouldn't even have to work to make the NBA."
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Post#7 » by JaxMagic » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:35 am

He definitely made the game look effortless, he was easily the smoothest player I've ever seen
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Post#8 » by _nokturnal » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:38 am

McGrady was way smoother than LeBron. More of a natural.
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Post#9 » by miltk » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:54 am

moximus wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Tracy-McGrady-freakish-talent-and-the-peril-o;_ylt=Amdqn1I0d60B5jue8p2uk6G8vLYF?urn=nba-330022

During the 2011 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, TMac was singled out by a panel of experts as the single most naturally talented player in the past decade or so. My question is, yes McGrady was great but was he really that all? I would think that Lebron is more of a natural-born bballer than TMac.

As often occurs when discussing abstract ideas, talk turned quickly to a physical example — in this case, McGrady, whose combination of size, speed, power and grace beguiled the NBA in the last years of the 20th century and made him one of the league's most dominant offensive forces in the early years of the 21st.

But while McGrady's abilities were awe-inspiring, his willingness to further cultivate them wasn't, according to panelist and ESPN NBA analyst Jeff Van Gundy, who coached the Florida-born star with the Houston Rockets from 2004 through 2007.

Van Gundy estimated McGrady at "probably 1,000 hours of practice," just one-tenth of Gladwell's rule, a figure that elicited laughter from the crowd. Noting that McGrady was as close to he's ever seen as a basketball natural, Van Gundy went on to say that T-Mac "should be a Hall of Fame player."


i believe their focus is on the prototypical or IDEAL bball body, and lebron certainly is not. his body type is atypical if anything.
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Post#10 » by andyo » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:57 am

I wouldn't say Lebron is a smooth player, he uses a lot of brute strength and his physical attributes. Mcgrady was very smooth in his day. He was a better player than Kobe in his prime IMO.

Albeit, he had like 1 full season in his prime. Whereas Kobe and most other players have like 3-4 years.
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Post#11 » by Canomad » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:58 am

i dont care what anyone says PRIME tmac was IMO just as good as kobe at that specific time. everyone was comparing the two. he was soooooo damn smooth. they called him the big sleep cuz he made it look easy. then BOOM he would just dunk on your team outta nowhere.
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Post#12 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Mar 6, 2011 3:06 am

LarsV8 wrote:Lebron is just more of a physical specimen.

McGrady had a much better BBIQ and more overall talent.


Being a physical specimen is talent. Size, both height and muscular, is a massive component in who will succeed in the game of basketball.

Men like Duncan, Ewing, Olajuwon were able to succeed at the game of basketball despite picking up the sport in their teenage years which is very late for major athletics. They were also pulled into the sport because basketball men around them looked at these individuals and said "hey tall, strong guy you should play the sport were being freakishly tall + strong is a huge advantage." Olawakandi was able to get partial scholarships at Division I schools just by calling up the coaches and saying "I'm 7 ft 1 and want to play basketball at your school." He even admitted he started playing the game at 17. Still, height alone made him a very attractive prospect.

The list of basketball natural has to begin with the bigs.
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Re: McGrady is the closet thing to a basketball natural ever? 

Post#13 » by Nett » Sun Mar 6, 2011 3:49 am

McGrady was a good basketball player. Unfortunately, injuries happen.

McGrady played way more smoother than LeBron James. LeBron is just a fullback in the court.
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Post#14 » by LarsV8 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 3:53 am

Being a physical specimen is talent. Size, both height and muscular, is a massive component in who will succeed in the game of basketball.


I think you are confused.

Size, height and athleticism are not talents....at all.
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Post#15 » by Rust In Peace » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:10 am

Canomad wrote:i dont care what anyone says PRIME tmac was IMO just as good as kobe at that specific time. everyone was comparing the two. he was soooooo damn smooth. they called him the big sleep cuz he made it look easy. then BOOM he would just dunk on your team outta nowhere.


Just as good? '03 Tmac was much better than '03 Kobe. Duncan and Tmac were by far the best players in the league that year.
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Post#16 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:15 am

LarsV8 wrote:
Being a physical specimen is talent. Size, both height and muscular, is a massive component in who will succeed in the game of basketball.


I think you are confused.

Size, height and athleticism are not talents....at all.


I really think you are confused about the definition of talent

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/talent

1. a special natural ability or aptitude
2. a capacity for achievement or success


Size, height, and athleticism all greatly determine an individual's capacity for achievement at the game of basketball.
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Post#17 » by Point-God » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:17 am

I made this same thread about Allen Iverson where I called him the most talented basketball player ever and backed it up with facts that revolved around him not just having a poor work ethic but no work ethic at all. Allen Iverson would not touch a basketball between the end of the season and training camp of the next season. Allen Iverson was a better basketball player than Tracy McGrady, the numbers and team records support that.
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Post#18 » by Bruh Man » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:19 am

Rust In Peace wrote:
Canomad wrote:i dont care what anyone says PRIME tmac was IMO just as good as kobe at that specific time. everyone was comparing the two. he was soooooo damn smooth. they called him the big sleep cuz he made it look easy. then BOOM he would just dunk on your team outta nowhere.


Just as good? '03 Tmac was much better than '03 Kobe. Duncan and Tmac were by far the best players in the league that year.

Not true, Kobe was All-NBA 1st team & All-NBA defensive 1st in 03 while dropping 30 ppg 6.9 rbpg 5.9 aspg and 2.2 stpg. The main difference between them is that Kobe was an All-defensive 1st while TMac has never made any of the defensive teams.
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Post#19 » by tcduke » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:19 am

being tall is not a talent
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Post#20 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:21 am

tcduke wrote:being tall is not a talent


In the game of basketball it is. A 7 fter odds of making the NBA are dramatically better than someone whose 6'5.

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