MVP Derrick Rose, I am disappoint.

orangeparka · Post #1 » by **orangeparka** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:13 am

Never thought I'd create a Rose thread, but just had to say.

With his game tonight, for the playoffs, he's at 22 shots per game, shooting 35% on FGs and 17% on 3's (on 29 attempts), and only 6 assists per game/4 turnovers per game.

I really liked him (although it was affected by the Rose homers) in the regular season and looked forward to how he'd step it up in the playoffs, but I am just disgusted with his playoff performance and numbers. He's playing hella selfish out there and might actually be hurting his team a little bit. He could be playing a TON better.

They're the 1st seed FFS and yet their point differential with Indiana in 4 games is a measly +2.5, all very close games.

It's not even his 1st playoffs or anything, it's his 3rd.

All the talk about Rose leading the Bulls to wins and ****, I just don't see it. Bulls would be hella better off right now if he concentrated more on making plays instead of getting shots off. He seems way to concerned with making the shot himself and jacking threes right now.

Vertical Limit · Post #2 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:15 am

If you want to see real "will to win", see: Brandon Roy. His hobbling ass willed Portland a victory today.

Dr Positivity · Post #3 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:17 am

The Bulls have no offensive gameplan except let Rose do stuff and Indy's entire defensive gameplan is pound Rose with doubles. Not a good mix.

I personally think Thibs played Rose too hard down the stretch of the regular season to get that #1 over the Spurs, who clearly weren't going to be in the Finals. Rose was playing harder than anyone in the league for 82 Gs. I don't know if he has 20 more games of playing this hard against doubles

The 3s are freaking stupid though, have been all year

Philly KDub · Post #4 » by **Philly KDub** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:17 am

He just had a bad game. The Bulls had a bad game offensively. Rose is a scorer. Why would you want him to take less shots? He is the team's best offensive player. He must take shots.

You are disgusted with his playoffs performance? Why? He has been clutch in the first 3 games. The Bulls won because of him. Watch the game before you post stuff like that

FisherSucks · Post #5 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:18 am

This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league. He will get to the first tier some day because of his untapped potential but not now. This is why there was so much controversy over his MVP award.

If this was Kobe, Wade, or Lebron playing against the Pacers, they'd average 35ppg on 50+ FG%.

Philly KDub · Post #6 » by **Philly KDub** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:20 am

FisherSucks wrote:This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league.

That is very true. I totally agree with what you said but Rose played a huge part in the Bulls' victories in the first three games. He was clutch near the end of the game

NYK0605 · Post #7 » by **NYK0605** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:21 am

Replace him with CP3 and the Bulls are resting up getting ready for the 2nd round already.

FisherSucks · Post #8 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:21 am

Philly KDub wrote:
FisherSucks wrote:This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league.

That is very true. I totally agree with what you said but Rose played a huge part in the Bulls' victories in the first three games. He was clutch near the end of the game

Rose is shooting 35% in this series. You can plug Allen Iverson in there and he'd will them 3 wins against an 8th seed.

FisherSucks · Post #9 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:22 am

NYK0605 wrote:Replace him with CP3 and the Bulls are resting up getting ready for the 2nd round already.

I will back this up.

My team, the Lakers, are playing against CP3. There is no PG I feared more than CP3 in the playoffs.

Philly KDub · Post #10 » by **Philly KDub** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:22 am

If you plugged AI in there, the Pacers would score more points and the Bulls would lose. AI was a bad defender. I think I will stick with Rose in there even though he is shooting 35%. He will get out of his slump sooner or later

FisherSucks · Post #11 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:24 am

Philly KDub wrote:If you plugged AI in there, the Pacers would score more points and the Bulls would lose. AI was a bad defender. I think I will stick with Rose in there even though he is shooting 35%. He will get out of his slump sooner or later

You can get AI to play defense. The Sixers in 2001 played elite defense too.

Thibs got Rose(who was a terrible defender last year), Boozer, Korver, etc to play elite defense. He can get AI/scrubs to play defense.

orangeparka · Post #12 » by **orangeparka** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:24 am

He's been clutch, I'll give him that. But the fact that they're in that position against a team that's not even .500 when fully healthy now (well, almost) is puzzling to begin with.

He's a great scorer and a big part of the Bulls' offense, it's just his very poor decision-making and selfish play that has disturbed me.

Dr Positivity · Post #13 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:25 am

FisherSucks wrote:This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league. He will get to the first tier some day because of his untapped potential but not now. This is why there was so much controversy over his MVP award.

If this was Kobe, Wade, or Lebron playing against the Pacers, they'd average 35ppg on 50+ FG%.

The Bulls have the 11th best ORTG this year and have 0 offensive gameplan or strategizing. It's give the ball to Rose and he'll make it happen. They don't run pnrs despite having Boozer, don't have another ballhandler, don't run the break. It's Rose and a bunch of offensive rebounders.

Rose deserves a ton of credit for carrying the offense that well. You need both to win games.

Vertical Limit · Post #14 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:26 am

Rose is an Iverson clone. The comparisons are pretty accurate.

Philly KDub · Post #15 » by **Philly KDub** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:27 am

AI's defense is all about gambling in the lane and get steals. There are so many times that he let his man blow past him. The 2001 Sixers played elite defense because they had Ratliff/Mutombo in the middle to protect the rim and that team was filled with great defenders. That allowed AI a lot of freedom to gamble on defense. He was NEVER a good defender. He was bad.

Rose is not that great on defense but he is light years ahead of AI defensively. He will show effort and he won't let his man get past him too often. Rose plays within the team while AI likes to be freewheeling on defense. Rose over AI defensively easily. When you have five men playing D together, you are tougher to beat than having 4 men playing D together while one of them is gambling too much

FisherSucks · Post #16 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:27 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:
FisherSucks wrote:This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league. He will get to the first tier some day because of his untapped potential but not now. This is why there was so much controversy over his MVP award.

If this was Kobe, Wade, or Lebron playing against the Pacers, they'd average 35ppg on 50+ FG%.

The Bulls have the 11th best ORTG this year and have 0 offensive gameplan or strategizing. It's give the ball to Rose and he'll make it happen. They don't run pnrs despite having Boozer, don't have another ballhandler, don't run the break. It's Rose and a bunch of offensive rebounders.

Rose deserves a ton of credit for carrying the offense that well. You need both to win games.

The Bulls have Boozer, who is an elite offensive player, Deng, Rose, Korver, who are all great offensive players. They also have Noah who is descent.

They should be #11.

NYK0605 · Post #17 » by **NYK0605** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:28 am

orangeparka wrote:He's been clutch, I'll give him that. But the fact that they're in that position against a team that's not even .500 when fully healthy now (well, almost) is puzzling to begin with.

He's a great scorer and a big part of the Bulls' offense, it's just his very poor decision-making and selfish play that has disturbed me.

Clutch?

So becasue he goes like 4-18 or whatever it was and then hit a layup, then labels him "clutch"?

They needed him to be "clutch" in the first place because his terrible shooting and play put them in that situation.

orangeparka · Post #18 » by **orangeparka** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:29 am

NYK0605 wrote:
orangeparka wrote:He's been clutch, I'll give him that. But the fact that they're in that position against a team that's not even .500 when fully healthy now (well, almost) is puzzling to begin with.

He's a great scorer and a big part of the Bulls' offense, it's just his very poor decision-making and selfish play that has disturbed me.

Clutch?

So becasue he goes like 4-18 or whatever it was and then hit a layup, then labels him "clutch"?

They needed him to be "clutch" in the first place because his terrible shooting and play put them in that situation.

That's kinda what I said in my post.

FisherSucks · Post #19 » by **FisherSucks** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:29 am

Philly KDub wrote:AI's defense is all about gambling in the game and get steals. There are so many times that he let his man blow past him. The 2001 Sixers played elite defense because they had Ratliff/Mutombo in the middle to protect the rim and that team was filled with great defenders. That allowed AI a lot of freedom to gamble on defense. He was NEVER a good defender. He was bad.

Rose is not that great on defense but he is light years ahead of AI defensively. He will show effort and he won't let his man get past him too often. Rose plays within the team while AI likes to be freewheeling on defense. Rose over AI defensively easily. When you have five men playing D together, you are tougher to beat than having 4 men playing D together while one of them is gambling too much

Sixers had a top 5 Defensive rating in 2001. You can get AI to play defense. It's easy to label AI as a bad defender now because that was his reputation during his later years.

reapaman · Post #20 » by **reapaman** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:30 am

NYK0605 wrote:Replace him with CP3 and the Bulls are resting up getting ready for the 2nd round already.

Or better yet replace boozer with a PF with a pulse.

Lets be honest if Loozer contested half his opponents shots, didn't rack up like 2 fouls before you realize the game started, miss wide open shots, fumble rebounds that bounce right in his hand, ect... then the bulls would be killing this team.

The close games have nothing to do with rose, I've seen this same story over and over again with the Jazz.