Can Melo, Amare, and Paul be a championship nucleus?

Studemire1 · Post #41 » by **Studemire1** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 6:29 pm

Definitely

Staruk · Post #42 » by **Staruk** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 6:33 pm

devv83 wrote:I dont see why not.

this myth that Melo plays no defense and needs to dominate the ball to score and be effective is nonsense is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). It just shows that people just say the popular opinion even though its wrong

He was most efficent when Iverson and Dre Miller dominated the ball in Denver

This...I watched the guy as he came over from Denver, when he put the effort his he was solid on D. Sure he'll never be Bowen but the guy can play defense. Very quick and strong just needs someone to put a boot up his a$$ once in a while.

Amare though is a lost cause that's why we need a defensive presence in the paint to do the dirty work.

Defense starts on the perimeter and in...with CP3 at the point it would correct a ton of ills for the Knicks.

I'm a die-hard Knicks fan but I haven't seen a single mathematical workup that could show me how we end up with him other than a sign and trade...who are we trading? I'm not Donnie though nor am I a capoligist, maybe there is some way for it to happen but if it did, Knicks would be an INSTANT championship caliber team no matter who the f'k was the coach. CP3 and his IQ is basically a coach on the court, Mike can grab a lollypop, STFU and watch the games like the rest of us.

Biased_Fan6425 · Post #43 » by **Biased_Fan6425** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:14 pm

No...

Ayt · Post #44 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:24 pm

8 Mile Ilic wrote:With D'Antoni as a coach no. With a defensive minded no-nonsense coach, maybe. You need a coach who's not afraid to sit Amar'e and Melo when they blow defensive assignment after defensive assignment no coach at any level did that with either of those guys and it's part of the reason their defense leaves a lot to be desired.

So they'd average 15 minutes a night?

Ayt · Post #45 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:26 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:how many teams in NBA history won the title with a poor defensive system?

they dont need to become this year's Bulls, but they need to be slighty above avrage to deal with the intensity of a playoffs series against the Heat.

one of their problems will be to get the right role players and do it fast..the heat are only going to get better from now on.

Look at every team that has won a ring on basketball referrence and check their DRTG.

SubyWill · Post #46 » by **SubyWill** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:27 pm

No, but Howard and Paul are.

knicksosmoove · Post #47 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:28 pm

_nokturnal wrote:
SmooveAndMelo wrote:People dont understand if this where to happen this would probaly be the best offense in the history of the game.

it's not as ridiculous as you think. Amar'e and 'Melo were both top 5 scorers this year and Chris Paul runs an insanely efficient offense. Add Mike D'Antoni and some decent shooters and it's not exactly preposterous.

Now to make you all happy, yes the defense would be average at best.

NoMoreThrees · Post #48 » by **NoMoreThrees** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 7:35 pm

Melo Amare Paul could be a real good team but I can't see how Knicks can get Paul. Also don't want Knicks throwing all next year away just to try to clear cap space for Paul. Knicks need to build a team and move on with it. I could see Paul going to OKC with Dwight to team with Durant.

metalinguss · Post #49 » by **metalinguss** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 8:22 pm

Now every big market team will try to make a superteam to match the Heat and we will get stuck watching the same Conf finals/NBA Finals for the rest of the decade.

Who wouldn't want that?

knicksosmoove · Post #50 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 8:25 pm

NoMoreThrees wrote:Melo Amare Paul could be a real good team but I can't see how Knicks can get Paul. Also don't want Knicks throwing all next year away just to try to clear cap space for Paul. Knicks need to build a team and move on with it. I could see Paul going to OKC with Dwight to team with Durant.

The only thing we have to spend this year is the MLE, it's not like we're going to find a game changer with that sort of money to spend so might as well save up space for Paul.

defjux21 · Post #51 » by **defjux21** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 8:27 pm

As far as a championship nucleus goes, assuming everyone is fine health wise, then absolutely. Not sure where all the negative responses are coming from.

Now of course, this also hinges on various things - supporting cast, coaching, favorability by refs, etc. But it's definitely potent enough for a championship squad.

Tetlak · Post #52 » by **Tetlak** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 8:29 pm

knicksosmoove wrote:
Tetlak wrote:Well seeing as how theyd have 0$ to spend on anybody else, no.

not true. they have buttloads of cap space in 2012

Uhhhh...Melo and Amare make like 22 mil each. CP3 would get the max. Wheres that cap space? They wont be able to compete for a title without roleplayers.

knicksosmoove · Post #53 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:34 pm

Tetlak wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:
Tetlak wrote:Well seeing as how theyd have 0$ to spend on anybody else, no.

not true. they have buttloads of cap space in 2012

Uhhhh...Melo and Amare make like 22 mil each. CP3 would get the max. Wheres that cap space? They wont be able to compete for a title without roleplayers.

Amar'e and 'Melo are the only players on the books for that year (and Renaldo Balkman's pea-sized contract). Who knows how much cap space they'll actually have since the CBA doesn't exist yet, but we should be able to get him especially if Paul helps us out a bit. This is why I think Paul is more likely for the Knicks than Deron or Dwight, because we'll probably need a little bit of help from the star and I think Paul would be willing to work with us either by demanding a trade or taking slightly less money. He and 'Melo are like best buds btw.

Volcano · Post #54 » by **Volcano** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:36 pm

- better coach
- good defenders at SG/C with solid bench
- CP3 in top form

they can contend

fallacy · Post #55 » by **fallacy** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:38 pm

They would contend but they couldn't win with D'antoni as their coach

Shaheen · Post #56 » by **Shaheen** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:40 pm

Would Kobe, Lebron, and Howard be a good nucleus?

Lets discuss realistic possibilities.

knicksosmoove · Post #57 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:43 pm

Shaheen wrote:Would Kobe, Lebron, and Howard be a good nucleus?

Lets discuss realistic possibilities.

bro be happy! If Paul goes to the Knicks you guys have one less opponent for Dwight!

Ugalde · Post #58 » by **Ugalde** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:44 pm

I personally don't think so but that's because I have a thing against PG's.

knicksosmoove · Post #59 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:46 pm

fallacy wrote:They would contend but they couldn't win with D'antoni as their coach

I think this sentiment is wrong. The Heat are going to be extremely tough to get by for the next few years, better to have a mad scientist in your corner who might be able to crack how to score on their defense than a coach who is going to try and go about it the more traditional way.

knicksosmoove · Post #60 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:47 pm

Ugalde wrote:I personally don't think so but that's because I have a thing against PG's.

Chris Paul isn't a PG. He is a god.