Everyone who is for fully guaranteed contracts watch this

LakerLegend · Post #1 » by **LakerLegend** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:02 am

The first 3-5 plays specifically.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ai1J-xuxQU[/youtube]

Dampier should have been a monster. Instead he got lazy with his money and slept through a career. A rip off of not just the owners, but the FANS.

Archerbro · Post #2 » by **Archerbro** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:05 am

or he was overpaid and couldn't catch the ball? the dallas morning news i think stated several times on blog and possibly an article he had some condition that is regular with big men and why he couldn't catch the ball or anything like it.

BTW his contract wasn't fully guaranteed, he got waived after he was traded for tyson chandler.

iDunk · Post #3 » by **iDunk** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:06 am

This guy made 100 million in his career, smh.

Silk Wilkes · Post #4 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:08 am

Dampier was your typical contract season player. Remember when Jerome James was in Seattle and had that nice playoff run that subsequently got him paid? I hate guys like that.

LakerLegend · Post #5 » by **LakerLegend** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:09 am

iDunk wrote:This guy made 100 million in his career, smh.

lord have mercy......we could rebuild half of detroit with that.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #6 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:12 am

Not fully guaranteed contracts, but if the owners are willing to shell out the money then they should be required to pay a certain amount of the contract. "You've made your bed, now sleep in it."

thelead · Post #7 » by **thelead** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:13 am

this is how I look at it:

If you won the lottery (~$50 mil) would you want to "work"?

I know some people do, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Unfortunately, a lot of nba players look at their situations the same way.

sanitylaker · Post #8 » by **sanitylaker** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:21 am

Well

If the players want a bonus for young guys in the rookie scale playing amazingly (Rose, Griffin, Westbrook, etc), they should let the league include a tool to not pay under-performing players like Dampier, Curry and Arenas.

It's unbelievable the drop off that those players had after they got paid.

magicman123 · Post #9 » by **magicman123** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:46 am

please get rid of the guaranteed contracts

DanTown8587 · Post #10 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:50 am

You guys remember that year when Derrick Rose won the MVP and was paid less than the average salary in the league? There are both overpaid and underpaid players. The fun story, is that if the owners wanted to go to an arbitrator system so that over and underpaid contracts could be changed, the union would agree. Owners want low rookie wage scale and then they think that they won't sign anyone to a bsd contract, so there is no reason for them to do it.

thelead · Post #11 » by **thelead** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:51 am

magicman123 wrote:please get rid of the guaranteed contracts

you know, I don't even care if they count against the cap, I just don't want them to get their money if they're gonna slack off and suck after getting paid.

MAQ · Post #12 » by **MAQ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:52 am

thelead wrote:this is how I look at it:

If you won the lottery (~$50 mil) would you want to "work"?

I know some people do, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Unfortunately, a lot of nba players look at their situations the same way.

Well, you look at it really really horribly, as the players "lottery" in this situation actually IS work. So, they should keep working in order to justify the money they're being paid. It'll never be fully justified, but don't make it completely unjustifiable either.

thelead · Post #13 » by **thelead** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:53 am

DanTown8587 wrote:The fun story, is that if the owners wanted to go to an arbitrator system so that over and underpaid contracts could be changed, the union would agree.

VERY doubtful. There are WAY more overpaid players than underpaid players.

Silk Wilkes · Post #14 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:54 am

I see it from the point of view that a guy can truly get screwed over if a freak injury occurs and his contract is void. But then I look at NFL players and the physicality of their sport and it dawns on me that NBA players DO NOT need fully guaranteed money. Don't get me started on baseball...

thelead · Post #15 » by **thelead** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:54 am

MAQ wrote:
thelead wrote:this is how I look at it:

If you won the lottery (~$50 mil) would you want to "work"?

I know some people do, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Unfortunately, a lot of nba players look at their situations the same way.

Well, you look at it really really horribly, as the players "lottery" in this situation actually IS work. So, they should keep working in order to justify the money they're being paid. It'll never be fully justified, but don't make it completely unjustifiable either.

Its not work if they don't work because of said guaranteed money.

MAQ · Post #16 » by **MAQ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:59 am

thelead wrote:
MAQ wrote:
thelead wrote:this is how I look at it:

If you won the lottery (~$50 mil) would you want to "work"?

I know some people do, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Unfortunately, a lot of nba players look at their situations the same way.

Well, you look at it really really horribly, as the players "lottery" in this situation actually IS work. So, they should keep working in order to justify the money they're being paid. It'll never be fully justified, but don't make it completely unjustifiable either.

Its not work if they don't work because of said guaranteed money.

Which is the point of the thread...That guaranteed contracts do more harm than good.

Just because you're guaranteed to make X amount of dollars from your job over Y amount of years doesn't mean your job isn't work anymore. It's still work.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #17 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:00 am

Paco wrote:Not fully guaranteed contracts, but if the owners are willing to shell out the money then they should be required to pay a certain amount of the contract. "You've made your bed, now sleep in it."

Thats absurd, the owners HAVE to shell out in order to compete. Dampier brought himself to a level that put him in a specific pay bracket, got paid then sat back and collected. When you're trying to compete you can't take a chance on wether or not a guy is a contract player, an owner has to put a competative product on the floor.

Players need to get some moral and work ethic, if anything he's the prime example of why the players dont care about the game. I dont care what owners paid him before they're trying to fix it now now and of course the players want to keep the system in place that allows them to essentially cheat and steal their way into millions.

MAQ · Post #18 » by **MAQ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:01 am

Silk Wilkes wrote:I see it from the point of view that a guy can truly get screwed over if a freak injury occurs and his contract is void.

Which is why partially guaranteed contracts are the way to go.

Even the NFL is doing a better job at it than the NBA, because even though you have the risk of injury in the NFL which would usually result in a voiding of your contract, big time players get HUGE signing bonuses when they negotiate a deal. The signing bonus is there to make up for the fact that they might not earn all of the money that is in the contract.

thelead · Post #19 » by **thelead** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:01 am

something must be lost in translation but I guess we are in agreement

LakerLegend · Post #20 » by **LakerLegend** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:02 am

This whole "control themselves" is NONSENSE. Wanna know why?

THE CBA GUARANTEES A PERCENTAGE TO THE PLAYERS. If it's not spent in contracts the owners have to refund them that money ANYWAY.