Poll: Question for LAL Fans, Do You Include Gasol If..

High0ctane21 · Post #41 » by **High0ctane21** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:57 am

UssjTrunks wrote:Chicago easily. Noah alone has more value than any of the other players you listed.

While I love the hustle and intensity Noah brings us... I'd strongly consider taking Bynum over Noah. The size and strength of Bynum is great. He's got lots of talent and potential. If he stays healthy, he's the 2nd best center in the league. We need low post scoring, Drew would provide that.

I'd say the Bulls offer would be the best one out of the 3.

Lauxman · Post #42 » by **Lauxman** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:07 am

Chicago and it isn't even close.

Bynum is a thug and injury prone.

Post #43 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:27 pm

I'll leave this up a little longer, but with Chicago running away, LA needs to up their offer while NJ would be out of the race.

illiance · Post #44 » by **illiance** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:47 pm

Mamba Venom wrote:
smith2373 wrote:I'd go with Lakers. Even though it would never happen.

Will happen. Lakers will pull out the stops. Bynum + Gasol for Howard + Arenas.

And that would be a huge mistake.

DanTown8587 · Post #45 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:56 pm

While the Lakers are essentially the Yankees of the NBA (turning more profit than anyone with significantly higher expenses), they aren't taking Arenas back. Just to give you an idea of how much money that is in year one of harsh tax penalties (so 13-14), they're paying the luxury tax JUST to have Kobe (30 million), Arenas (22 million), Howard (20 million).

Less than zero percent chance Arenas goes in a Howard deal.

Post #46 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:04 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:While the Lakers are essentially the Yankees of the NBA (turning more profit than anyone with significantly higher expenses), they aren't taking Arenas back. Just to give you an idea of how much money that is in year one of harsh tax penalties (so 13-14), they're paying the luxury tax JUST to have Kobe (30 million), Arenas (22 million), Howard (20 million).

Less than zero percent chance Arenas goes in a Howard deal.

If they want to get Howard and the choices are take Arenas and get him, or don't take him and don't him, what do they do?
Also, is Arenas that much worse than Turkoglu, Richardson and Duhon?
Either way it's about $5m more in payroll.

Durant Durant · Post #47 » by **Durant Durant** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:22 pm

Lakers have the inside track on account of the nicer weather

ropjhk · Post #48 » by **ropjhk** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:29 pm

GeeWiz wrote:Lakers have the inside track on account of the nicer weather

Maybe, but the idea of this thread is to try to see things from Orlando's point of view. So assuming that all 3 teams are agreeable to trading for Dwight then Orlando chooses whichever it thinks is the best offer and not whichever it thinks Dwight would prefer.

dafunky1 · Post #49 » by **dafunky1** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:38 pm

Noah
Deng
Taj(good cheap labor)
Brewer(expiring)

CHA pick
Bulls 2012 pick
Mirotic(Lotto pick if he wasn't in Europe)

Orlando gets everything it wants........Good pieces,young cheap labor,expiring,projected lotto pick,draft picks.

Post #50 » by **coldfish** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:54 pm

The basis of this thread is contingent on Howard willing to re-sign with Chicago or even NJ, which by reports, he is not. Without that commitment, Chicago isn't going to offer the sun and the moon.

I don't see why the Lakers need to get into a bidding competition with teams that aren't going to bid on him.

Without an agreement on an extension, I still think Chicago would offer Noah plus picks, but I don't think that they offer more and I don't think Orlando takes it.

Post #51 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:57 pm

coldfish wrote:The basis of this thread is contingent on Howard willing to re-sign with Chicago or even NJ, which by reports, he is not. Without that commitment, Chicago isn't going to offer the sun and the moon.

I don't see why the Lakers need to get into a bidding competition with teams that aren't going to bid on him.

Without an agreement on an extension, I still think Chicago would offer Noah plus picks, but I don't think that they offer more and I don't think Orlando takes it.

I was assuming under this situation he would resign with all 3 teams. According to some reports fairly recently, NJ is Dwight's 2nd choice... a distant 2nd to LA.

And NJ would be willing to trade the package above with no extension in place.

Post #52 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:22 pm

Updated to find out who has the 2nd best offer.

inquisitive · Post #53 » by **inquisitive** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:30 pm

I think what is lost in all of this is how the other superstars/stars want Howard and Paul to play for them....DWilliams wants to play for Howard and Melo wants to play with Paul and vice-versa...then Kobe doesn't want either one of them and prefers to keep Pau and Bynum.... :wink:

DanTown8587 · Post #54 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:33 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:While the Lakers are essentially the Yankees of the NBA (turning more profit than anyone with significantly higher expenses), they aren't taking Arenas back. Just to give you an idea of how much money that is in year one of harsh tax penalties (so 13-14), they're paying the luxury tax JUST to have Kobe (30 million), Arenas (22 million), Howard (20 million).

Less than zero percent chance Arenas goes in a Howard deal.

If they want to get Howard and the choices are take Arenas and get him, or don't take him and don't him, what do they do?
Also, is Arenas that much worse than Turkoglu, Richardson and Duhon?
Either way it's about $5m more in payroll.

Dwight Howard isn't worth sticking Arenas' deal on to it. And of course you take Hedo, he's done in two years, owed significantly less money, plays a bigger position of need and can actually be useful.

EDIT You don't do the deal and keep the team they have now. They're isn't massive reason to panic.

Post #55 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:34 pm

inquisitive wrote:I think what is lost in all of this is how the other superstars/stars want Howard and Paul to play for them....DWilliams wants to play for Howard and Melo wants to play with Paul and vice-versa...then Kobe doesn't want either one of them and prefers to keep Pau and Bynum....

Players don't want to play with Kobe necessarily. These players want to play for the Lakers and ideally paired up with another new star (not Kobe). They realize Kobe is about finished, takes up 40% of the cap himself and is not exactly known as an easy teammate to play with.

BossHoggin · Post #56 » by **BossHoggin** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:35 pm

Payaso wrote:Is the OP pulling his own made up trades?

Joe likes to push his propaganda over and over. Making 15 threads based around the same idea when he could limit the number.

He did this when with trades to get rid of Farmar/Outlaw/Petro earlier in the year.

Post #57 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:39 pm

BossHoggin wrote:
Payaso wrote:Is the OP pulling his own made up trades?

Joe likes to push his propaganda over and over. Making 15 threads based around the same idea when he could limit the number.

He did this when with trades to get rid of Farmar/Outlaw/Petro earlier in the year.

Just doing my due diligence.

But, from this thread I have learned the following:

1. If Dwight is open to Chicago, we will go there. (assuming OKC and LAC are not viable)
2. If Dwight is not open to Chicago, OKC, LAC, then he could be traded to NJ unless the Lakers are willing to up the offer I have listed on the main page.

DanTown8587 · Post #58 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:41 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:
Payaso wrote:Is the OP pulling his own made up trades?

Joe likes to push his propaganda over and over. Making 15 threads based around the same idea when he could limit the number.

He did this when with trades to get rid of Farmar/Outlaw/Petro earlier in the year.

Just doing my due diligence.

But, from this thread I have learned the following:

1. If Dwight is open to Chicago, we will go there. (assuming OKC and LAC are not viable)
2. If Dwight is not open to Chicago, OKC, LAC, then he most likely will be traded to NJ unless the Lakers are willing to up the offer I have listed on the main page.

It's about money. I don't think it's about "what Dwight wants". The question with Paul and Howard is: will they sacrifice millions of dollars? Because they stand to lose that if they try and leave via free agency.

Post #59 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:04 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:
It's about money. I don't think it's about "what Dwight wants". The question with Paul and Howard is: will they sacrifice millions of dollars? Because they stand to lose that if they try and leave via free agency.

It's about both. That's why Orlando met with him.

Meanwhile there will be many teams with cap space next year like NYK (13.5 max), LAC (max most likely) along with others, so there is the threat of losing him for nothing if Orlando says you are bluffing and holds on to him.

JordansBulls · Post #60 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:07 pm

If you are Orlando you don't send him to the Lakers no matter the package. You don't want a habit drafting an alltime great center just to have them eventually go to the Lakers. This would be the 2nd time it happened.

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