Derrick Rose should've never gotten a 3 point shot

[CablexDeadpool]

I always thought DRose was better the year before the MVP season.

He attacked the basket, he was efficient. Only thing he needed to do was be a better foul shooter and get to the line.

He keep chucking 3s.

Shooting 3s are a cop out. He took 4.8 threes last year and made 1.6 of them last year.

He went from shooting 48.9 to 44.5 percent just for 5 extra points on his average points per game. And guess what? He took 19 shots his MVP season, he took 17 shots the season before and he only took .8 threes.

So, you do the math, those drives to the basket and getting in the paint, was replaced with his three point chucking.

15 shoots he attempted last year was non threes. 17 shots he attempted before his MVP season was non 3s.

Instead of shooting 3s, he probably be better served to try to get to the line 10 times a game and make 85 to 90 percent.


He has games where he seems to get lazy or thinks he need to "takeover" and he will chuck 3s instead of trying to take his guy off the dribble.

If he makes it, it's "DROSE THE MVP, WITH THE CLUTCH SHOT."

If he misses, it's, "HE DOESN'T HAVE HELP ON OFFENSE, HE HAS TO TAKE THE SHOT."

That team defense allows him to chuck 6 and 8 threes and stay in the game.

Derrick Rose to me was a chucker last season. I don't understand how a guy can go from shooting 47.5 percent to 48.9 percent to 44.5 percent and be a chucker from the 3 point line and be considered an offensive improvement.

33.2 percent and taking 4.8 attempts isn't good 3 point shooting. That's terribad. That's not something to cheer about.

That means you are inefficient and you are a chucker.

DRose needs to get man up and get some Iverson in him and take the hit. Just take the hit, you the fastest player on the court. You got the handles to break anyone down, stop being scared, stop trying to avoid and twist around, and take the hit.

Free throws are an easier shot and you got more likely a chance of hitting it and getting 25 a game and helping your team, than jacking up 3s.


Yes, you got the 3 point shot, but you don' t need to take 5 to 8 a game on terrible percentage.

[HINrichPolice]

I think this season, he's making a concerted effort to get his teammates involved. He's always criticized for taking on too much, and at times I think that's true. He's erring on the side of "get teammates involved" over "taking over by myself." Since it's been 2 games so far. I say give him some time to figure out how to optimize his effectiveness when deciding to be more distributor vs scorer.

Having said that, his all-out style of driving and attacking can take a toll on his body. We're hoping he has a long career so if that means using your improved 3 point shot more, then so be it. He does take 3's out of the flow of the offense, however. I'm hoping he learns and improves his decision making on when to take a 3.

[Tommy Udo 6]

He jacked them up yesterday because the Bulls fell 20 points behind the warriors and needed to catch up.

i doubt it will be a normal thing.

[CablexDeadpool]

I think this season, he's making a concerted effort to get his teammates involved. He's always criticized for taking on too much, and at times I think that's true. He's erring on the side of "get teammates involved" over "taking over by myself." Since it's been 2 games so far. I say give him some time to figure out how to optimize his effectiveness when deciding to be more distributor vs scorer.

Having said that, his all-out style of driving and attacking can take a toll on his body. We're hoping he has a long career so if that means using your improved 3 point shot more, then so be it. He does take 3's out of the flow of the offense, however. I'm hoping he learns and improves his decision making on when to take a 3.

I don't mind him taking the 3, but 33 percent and you taking 5 a game over getting in the paint and getting to the line?

He's not a good 3 point shooter, there's a problem when you think you have to take the 3 and instead of drive and get an And1 or 2 fta.

And I am not talking this season, I am talking the beginning of this season and last season and playoffs.

And if he is worried about protecting his body then get stronger. On a pure helping his team wise, 10 fta on 85 percent shooting trumps taking desperation 3s.

[CablexDeadpool]

He jacked them up yesterday because the Bulls fell 20 points behind the warriors and needed to catch up.

i doubt it will be a normal thing.

it is a normal thing.

he jacked them up all last season

he jacked them up in the playoffs

he's a 3 point chucker.

it's like sees they are down by 10 and he just gotta hit the 3. And it works sometimes but when it doesn't work it's ugly.

[Chicago-n]

He's letting the rest of his team do the inside work as a test. He'll come back.

[Judrix]

If he makes it, it's "DROSE THE MVP, WITH THE CLUTCH SHOT."

If he misses, it's, "HE DOESN'T HAVE HELP ON OFFENSE, HE HAS TO TAKE THE SHOT."

this is just wildy inaccurate. If you read the Bulls board before making ignorant assumptions you would see we all do not like this trend of him jacking up stupid 3's all the time and we are dumbfounded as to why he is doing it.

[JrueDaDamaja]

09-10: 1373 FGA (including 3PA) for 1619 points (1.17 points per shot). 7.8 Assists per 48. 4.9 rebounds per 48. 76% on 338 FTs

10-11: 1579 shots (including 3PA) for 2026 points (1.28 points per shot). 9.9 Assists per 48. 5.2 rebounds per 48. 86% on 555 FTs

..how was he better or more efficient in 09?

His Assist to Turnover rate was the exact same both seasons, so don't bring up turnovers.

[CablexDeadpool]

If he makes it, it's "DROSE THE MVP, WITH THE CLUTCH SHOT."

If he misses, it's, "HE DOESN'T HAVE HELP ON OFFENSE, HE HAS TO TAKE THE SHOT."

this is just wildy inaccurate. If you read the Bulls board before making ignorant assumptions you would see we all do not like this trend of him jacking up stupid 3's all the time and we are dumbfounded as to why he is doing it.

not on the bulls board, i mean on tv

[alucryts]

I wholeheartedly agree he takes way too many and has been super passive/laid back this year (heck he even said this), but Rose had a career high in efficiency last year.

TS%
Year 1: 51.6%
Year 2: 53.2%
Year 3: 55.0%

He had a career year in efficiency. I don't want Rose to not shoot threes; I want him to shoot them intelligently. He needs them to be a part of his game, but like you said sometimes it feels like a cop out. If he took 4-5 a game in the flow of the offense, I think he would be alright. His three point attempts should never eclipse his FTA at any point during a game.

He's trying to be CP3 this year when his talents are in the area of emulating Wade.

[kobeslaker]

He's a terrible 3pt shooter. Everyone except the Bulls homers knows that.

[peja drobnjak]

his floaters and drop shots, while spectacular, are the culprit imo. he'd up his efficiency more than a little if he just took it the rim and got fouled more

[alucryts]

If he makes it, it's "DROSE THE MVP, WITH THE CLUTCH SHOT."

If he misses, it's, "HE DOESN'T HAVE HELP ON OFFENSE, HE HAS TO TAKE THE SHOT."

this is just wildy inaccurate. If you read the Bulls board before making ignorant assumptions you would see we all do not like this trend of him jacking up stupid 3's all the time and we are dumbfounded as to why he is doing it.

not on the bulls board, i mean on tv

I agree; on national tv it seems like no one ever hits it dead on with Rose. They are either way too down on him or way too high.

[Shot Clock]

TS%

09-10 .532%
10-11 .550%

It's not killing his efficiency at all

[alucryts]

his floaters and drop shots, while spectacular, are the culprit imo. he'd up his efficiency more than a little if he just took it the rim and got fouled more

The last quarter of last season was Rose at his ceiling imo. He was shooting 3's around 35%, getting nearly 10 FTA a game, and dishing out 7-8 assists a night with 27 ppg on 60% ts%. I have no friggin clue why he wouldn't start this season off doing exactly what he did then. Hopefully he gets back to that soon because he's been as passive as he was as a rookie to start this season.

[CablexDeadpool]

09-10: 1373 FGA (including 3PA) for 1619 points (1.17 points per shot). 7.8 Assists per 48. 4.9 rebounds per 48. 76% on 338 FTs

10-11: 1579 shots (including 3PA) for 2026 points (1.28 points per shot). 9.9 Assists per 48. 5.2 rebounds per 48. 86% on 555 FTs

..how was he better or more efficient in 09?

His Assist to Turnover rate was the exact same both seasons, so don't bring up turnovers.

he was taking 3s, of course he would have more points per shot and I been said, he improved ft shooting, and he improved assists.

and i pointed out how he averaged more points.

i said he was better because he wasn't chucking up the 3. he was more of a midrange shooter than 3 point shooter, only thing he needed to improve on from 09 was getting to the line.

he now has a bad habit of every time the team was down he has to chuck the 3.

you see it in the regular season and you seen it in the playoffs and you seen it last night.

here are his numbers from 2009 - 2010 from 16 - 23, 3 fgm - 6.8 fga for 44 percent

compare that to 2010 - 2011 from 16 - 23, 1.7 fgm - 4.5 fga for 37 percent

he totally eliminated his midrange game last year for an inefficient 3ball.

so besides getting to the line more and increasing his assist per game and increasing his court vision, was he really that much better? I don't think so, I think he installed some really bad habits last year.

There's a problem when slashers start getting a 3 ball, because they start relying on it.

[peja drobnjak]

to be an elite slashing player you do need a respectable three point shot. nobody knocks wade for shooting sub 30% from three most times

otherwise you're demar derozan

[CablexDeadpool]

TS%

09-10 .532%
10-11 .550%

It's not killing his efficiency at all

it's because he became a 85 percent foul shooter, which was good.

[alucryts]

09-10: 1373 FGA (including 3PA) for 1619 points (1.17 points per shot). 7.8 Assists per 48. 4.9 rebounds per 48. 76% on 338 FTs

10-11: 1579 shots (including 3PA) for 2026 points (1.28 points per shot). 9.9 Assists per 48. 5.2 rebounds per 48. 86% on 555 FTs

..how was he better or more efficient in 09?

His Assist to Turnover rate was the exact same both seasons, so don't bring up turnovers.

he was taking 3s, of course he would have more points per shot and I been said, he improved ft shooting, and he improved assists.

and i pointed out how he averaged more points.

i said he was better because he wasn't chucking up the 3. he was more of a midrange shooter than 3 point shooter, only thing he needed to improve on from 09 was getting to the line.

he now has a bad habit of every time the team was down he has to chuck the 3.

you see it in the regular season and you seen it in the playoffs and you seen it last night.

here are his numbers from 2009 - 2010 from 16 - 23, 3 fgm - 6.8 fga for 44 percent

compare that to 2010 - 2011 from 16 - 23, 1.7 fgm - 4.5 fga for 37 percent

he totally eliminated his midrange game last year for an inefficient 3ball.

so besides getting to the line more and increasing his assist per game and increasing his court vision, was he really that much better? I don't think so, I think he installed some really bad habits last year.

There's a problem when slashers start getting a 3 ball, because they start relying on it.

Overall I agree except on calling his three point shot inefficient. That shot is efficient in itself, but his mid range game went through the floor from abandoning it. 4-5 threes a night plus 8-10 FTA a night is ideal for Rose. Without the FTA his whole game collapses when it comes to efficient scoring. The only jump shot in basketball that is efficient is the three point shot......shooting 50% from any mid range area is considered among the best in the game yet it is inefficient.

[Godzilla039]

I agree and it sucks watching him play like this. I've been disappointed with his play post all star break of last season. Dude midrange game was deadly, but he'd rather just launch three's all game. Pisses me off. smh