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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#271 » by mysticbb » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:41 am

BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.
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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#272 » by Rapcity_11 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:41 am

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Rapcity_11 wrote:
:lol:


Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.


There he is, the Harden guy...

I know it's tough to get it, but when you play basketball with great players, it opens up your game and allows you to be more successful. Harden is the product of playing with stars.


Raptors fan, buddy.

Harden is at his best without RW and KD.
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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#273 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:47 am

mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?
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Post#274 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:49 am

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It is amazing that such a crappy team like the Spurs got that scrub Tony Parker selected, over Monta Ellis. I mean... look at the Warriors, they are kicking so much ass with Ellis leading the charge. Monta Ellis is getting screwed like a 20 dollar ***** on payday with Parker getting selected over him.


Great the Spurs are a good team, fundamentally balanced and well coached. Tony has been ripping kids this month. He started slow with about 9 alright games, picked it up, and then tore it out the gate.

The Warriors aren't doing as bad as you think they are, they've lost some close games without 2 main players, and had they been able to have Kwame and Curry healthy, they'd have a far better record.

I can count about 6 losses where coaching played a vital role in their losses.

Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.
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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#275 » by coldgrip1 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:50 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
BROWN wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
:lol:


Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.


There he is, the Harden guy...

I know it's tough to get it, but when you play basketball with great players, it opens up your game and allows you to be more successful. Harden is the product of playing with stars.


Raptors fan, buddy.

Harden is at his best without RW and KD.


Translation: Harden is at his best when facing the opposing team's scrubs.
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Post#276 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:54 am

mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Nash plays 30 minutes a night, Ellis plays near 40, major difference.

Yes because Ellis puts up a NBA season high against the best team in the West, I'm basing it off stats?

If it were stats I'd be comparing Nash to Ellis, and that'll never match up cause Nash has a godly TS% and you know that really gives some fellas a hard on.

Nash hasn't lost anyone near as close as Curry or Brown all year, and his team is below .500. Yes the Warriors have a bad record, but it doesn't change that Ellis is having a good year.
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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#277 » by coldgrip1 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:54 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?


To be fair, he's been playing with a bad knee for a 3, 4 week stretch. Couldn't push off his left knee.

But ignore BROWN. It's Saturday night and he's probably drunk lol.
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Post#278 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:56 am

BROWN wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
It is amazing that such a crappy team like the Spurs got that scrub Tony Parker selected, over Monta Ellis. I mean... look at the Warriors, they are kicking so much ass with Ellis leading the charge. Monta Ellis is getting screwed like a 20 dollar ***** on payday with Parker getting selected over him.


Great the Spurs are a good team, fundamentally balanced and well coached. Tony has been ripping kids this month. He started slow with about 9 alright games, picked it up, and then tore it out the gate.

The Warriors aren't doing as bad as you think they are, they've lost some close games without 2 main players, and had they been able to have Kwame and Curry healthy, they'd have a far better record.

I can count about 6 losses where coaching played a vital role in their losses.

Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.


It is a travishamockery that he isn't playing in the allstar game. We can see how instrumental he is to the Warriors wins.
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Post#279 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:56 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?


I'm guessing you don't watch much Warrior games, it's alright. I've caught the Spurs enough times to say that Pop is the smartest guy in the NBA. He can make anyone look like gold. TP started with a huge slump, and has had an amazing month, has he been playing like an All Star all year?

Playing on a winning team shouldn't give a player an automatic bid, well that's how it looks like this year... With Nash and Deron getting picked.
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Re: Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...) 

Post#280 » by coldgrip1 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:56 am

BROWN wrote:
mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Nash plays 30 minutes a night, Ellis plays near 40, major difference.

Yes because Ellis puts up a NBA season high against the best team in the West, I'm basing it off stats?

If it were stats I'd be comparing Nash to Ellis, and that'll never match up cause Nash has a godly TS% and you know that really gives some fellas a hard on.

Nash hasn't lost anyone near as close as Curry or Brown all year, and his team is below .500. Yes the Warriors have a bad record, but it doesn't change that Ellis is having a good year.


Come on man. I'm gonna drag you back to the Warriors board lol. Ellis is not having a good year.
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Post#281 » by mysticbb » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:59 am

BROWN wrote:Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.


No, Monta Ellis is not in the All-Star game, because the coaches are not thinking that he is a positive impact player. He scores, but he is doing it inefficiently, he has assists, but he turns it over a lot too. The stats are proving the coaches right, Ellis turns out to be a negative player according to ALL +/- based stats, especially those which are adjusted for the strength of the teammates and opponents. And that is not just some noise in this season, that is a common theme for Ellis.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/417.png

Ellis is constantly negativ.

Tony Parker: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/30.png
Steve Nash: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/8.png

Nash is among the league leaders in RAPM (ridge regression APM, best in terms of predicting the outcome of future games), Tony Parker constantly positive, while Monta Ellis is constantly negative. It seems like the coaches are not just looking at things you consider valuable.
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Post#282 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:59 am

coldgrip1 wrote:To be fair, he's been playing with a bad knee for a 3, 4 week stretch. Couldn't push off his left knee.But ignore BROWN. It's Saturday night and he's probably drunk lol.


I know... I am just kinda having fun at the absurdity that he is so insistent about Ellis getting screwed over.

I personally, would love it if Parker wouldn't have to make the cross country road trip in the middle of our rodeo road trip for a meaningless game in the big picture.
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Post#283 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:00 am

coldgrip1 wrote:
BROWN wrote:
mysticbb wrote:[quote="BROWN"]
Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..


Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.


Nash plays 30 minutes a night, Ellis plays near 40, major difference.

Yes because Ellis puts up a NBA season high against the best team in the West, I'm basing it off stats?

If it were stats I'd be comparing Nash to Ellis, and that'll never match up cause Nash has a godly TS% and you know that really gives some fellas a hard on.

Nash hasn't lost anyone near as close as Curry or Brown all year, and his team is below .500. Yes the Warriors have a bad record, but it doesn't change that Ellis is having a good year.


Come on man. I'm gonna drag you back to the Warriors board lol. Ellis is not having a good year.[/quote]


Meh I'm done.

I can't deal with nerds this late anyways.

Gonna go watch Kobe and his godlike TS% tomorrow.
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Post#284 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:03 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
coldgrip1 wrote:To be fair, he's been playing with a bad knee for a 3, 4 week stretch. Couldn't push off his left knee.But ignore BROWN. It's Saturday night and he's probably drunk lol.


I know... I am just kinda having fun at the absurdity that he is so insistent about Ellis getting screwed over.

I personally, would love it if Parker wouldn't have to make the cross country road trip in the middle of our rodeo road trip for a meaningless game in the big picture.



Its a shame he didn't make it, when you got guys like Klove making it (last year), mo williams, jameer nelson, and next year Jeremy Lin.

He's been doing work for 4 straight years and still gets no love.

Yes all star games reps, especially when the last one you had was Sprewell.
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Post#285 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:03 am

BROWN wrote:
I'm guessing you don't watch much Warrior games, it's alright. I've caught the Spurs enough times to say that Pop is the smartest guy in the NBA. He can make anyone look like gold. TP started with a huge slump, and has had an amazing month, has he been playing like an All Star all year?

Playing on a winning team shouldn't give a player an automatic bid, well that's how it looks like this year... With Nash and Deron getting picked.


Monta Ellis is an allstar DAMN IT....
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Post#286 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:04 am

BROWN wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
coldgrip1 wrote:To be fair, he's been playing with a bad knee for a 3, 4 week stretch. Couldn't push off his left knee.But ignore BROWN. It's Saturday night and he's probably drunk lol.


I know... I am just kinda having fun at the absurdity that he is so insistent about Ellis getting screwed over.

I personally, would love it if Parker wouldn't have to make the cross country road trip in the middle of our rodeo road trip for a meaningless game in the big picture.



Its a shame he didn't make it, when you got guys like Klove making it (last year), mo williams, jameer nelson, and next year Jeremy Lin.

He's been doing work for 4 straight years and still gets no love.

Yes all star games reps, especially when the last one you had was Sprewell.


Yeah... he wasn't an allstar any year in the west. Deal with it or keep crying about it.
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Post#287 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:08 am

mysticbb wrote:
BROWN wrote:Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.


No, Monta Ellis is not in the All-Star game, because the coaches are not thinking that he is a positive impact player. He scores, but he is doing it inefficiently, he has assists, but he turns it over a lot too. The stats are proving the coaches right, Ellis turns out to be a negative player according to ALL +/- based stats, especially those which are adjusted for the strength of the teammates and opponents. And that is not just some noise in this season, that is a common theme for Ellis.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/417.png

Ellis is constantly negativ.

Tony Parker: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/30.png
Steve Nash: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/8.png

Nash is among the league leaders in RAPM (ridge regression APM, best in terms of predicting the outcome of future games), Tony Parker constantly positive, while Monta Ellis is constantly negative. It seems like the coaches are not just looking at things you consider valuable.



You realize all of those stats mean nothing, because they don't take into consideration, minutes, fatigue, gameplanning.

Those are box score stats.

Player A has played 40+ minutes for 170+ games in the last 3 seasons.

Player B has played 30 minutes for 150 games in the last 3 seasons.

They aren't your video player you created...
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Post#288 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:10 am

Stats mean nothing... Monta Ellis is an allstar DAMN IT.
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Post#289 » by BROWN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:10 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
BROWN wrote:
I'm guessing you don't watch much Warrior games, it's alright. I've caught the Spurs enough times to say that Pop is the smartest guy in the NBA. He can make anyone look like gold. TP started with a huge slump, and has had an amazing month, has he been playing like an All Star all year?

Playing on a winning team shouldn't give a player an automatic bid, well that's how it looks like this year... With Nash and Deron getting picked.


Monta Ellis is an allstar DAMN IT....


Yup don't let your box scores fool you.
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Post#290 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:11 am

Yeah... I realize that in wins, Ellis posts even crappier stats, but in losses he posts better stats. Textmark allstar player if there ever was one.
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