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Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:18 pm
by MitchSlapped
This is the terms of breaking the Key Arena lease to allow the Sonics to move to OKC.

This is the reason I think for why there isn't serious talk for an arena plan yet, as well as other factors playing into this, NOT why Seattle doesn't have a franchise yet.

SEATTLE -- Clay Bennett finally found a dollar amount that would sever his contentious relationship with the city of Seattle -- $75 million.

As a result, the SuperSonics are headed to Oklahoma City with Bennett leading the way, leaving behind the team name, colors and 41 years of history.

Oklahoma City will have an NBA franchise for the 2008-09 season after a settlement announced Wednesday between the team and the city of Seattle, severing the bond with the city that culminated in a six-day federal trial over terms of the team's KeyArena lease. The judge was scheduled to rule Wednesday afternoon.

"We made it," Bennett said after stepping to an Oklahoma City podium featuring the NBA logo and the letters OKC. "The NBA will be in Oklahoma City next season."

The settlement calls for Bennett and his Professional Basketball Club LLC to pay as much as $75 million to the city in exchange for the immediate termination of the lease. The team's name and colors will be staying in Seattle.

Bennett said the move would start Thursday and the first focus would be on the SuperSonics' players.

"In a perfect world I would have liked to see Clay Bennett leave, without the team at all," said Steven Pyeatt, the co-founder of Save Our Sonics.

The Document

The SuperSonics will be required to pay Seattle at least $45 million to leave for Oklahoma City. Read the other stipulations of the settlement between the team and city. PDF

It's a victory for Bennett, who purchased the Sonics in 2006 from Starbucks Corp. chairman Howard Schultz for $350 million, and will take the franchise to his hometown. Bennett faced harsh criticism in Seattle for his efforts in trying to build a new arena as a replacement for KeyArena, and the presumption he wanted to move the franchise all along.

"It was a tough experience for all of us that were involved in it. There was just so much that happened on both sides, so much misinterpreted, miscommunicated and misunderstood that it was difficult," Bennett said.

Bennett announced that the settlement calls for a payment of $45 million immediately, and would include another $30 million paid to Seattle in 2013 if the state legislature in Washington authorizes at least $75 million in public funding to renovate KeyArena by the end of 2009 and Seattle doesn't obtain an NBA franchise of its own within the next five years.

The settlement could become a victory for Seattle as well. In a statement, NBA commissioner David Stern reversed his previous stance and said that a renovated KeyArena could be a suitable venue for an NBA franchise in Seattle. But the time is short.

"We understand that city, county, and state officials are currently discussing a plan to substantially rebuild KeyArena for the sum of $300 million," Stern said in a statement. "If this funding were authorized, we believe KeyArena could properly be renovated into a facility that meets NBA standards relating to revenue generation, fan amenities, team facilities, and the like."

However, Stern added, "given the lead times associated with any franchise acquisition or relocation and with a construction project as complex as a KeyArena renovation, authorization of the public funding needs to occur by the end of 2009 in order for there to be any chance for the NBA to return to Seattle within the next five years."

Bennett said he and Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels signed a binding agreement Wednesday, which would be formalized later, that keeps the SuperSonics' name, logo and colors available if Seattle gets a replacement franchise. Bennett said his franchise would create duplicate championship banners and trophies, leaving one set in Seattle and using the second set for undetermined purposes in Oklahoma City.

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Sonics owner Clay Bennett smiles in front of a backdrop with an Oklahoma City NBA logo.
"We have 30 million reasons why we have support for a future NBA team," Seattle city attorney Tom Carr said.

In April, the NBA board of governors approved Bennett's application to move the team to Oklahoma City, pending the outcome of the trial between the team and the city. The settlement came six days after the trial concluded.

"A really exciting day. We had been gearing up for the 2010 season, and to find out the team's coming two years early is a bonus," Oklahoma City mayor Mick Cornett said.

The settlement doesn't cover a pending lawsuit filed by Schultz, who is seeking to regain control of the team. Schultz claims that Bennett didn't follow through on an agreement to negotiate in good faith for a new arena in Seattle for one full year before seeking relocation options.

"We believe it's baseless, has no merit. We will fight it vigorously," Bennett said of that lawsuit.

Schultz's attorney, Richard Yarmuth, said his client's lawsuit will move forward. As part of the settlement, if the PBC is prevented from playing in Oklahoma City during the next two seasons because of Schultz's lawsuit, the city will be required to repay Bennett's group $22.5 million for each season. If the team is required to play in KeyArena for those two seasons, Bennett's group is released from the additional $30 million it would owe the city.

"We're not a party to this settlement and in fact we chose not to participate in it," Yarmuth said.

The trial between the team and city was centered on the lease agreement that called for the Sonics to play at KeyArena through the 2009-10 season. Sonics lead attorney Brad Keller contended that Bennett should simply be able to write a check to satisfy the final two years of the lease. Keller argued that the "specific performance" clause the city rested its case on should not apply in a garden-variety dispute between tenant and landlord.

ESPN legal analyst Lester Munson reports that Schultz's case will be bolstered by the testimony and arguments of the federal trial and that there is still a chance that he could prevail.

Bennett and his ownership group previously offered to pay the city $26.5 million in February to buy out the final two years of the lease. They were rebuffed.

Nickels noted that Wednesday's settlement would cover lost rent, tax revenue and pay off the remaining debt on KeyArena.

"I believed all along enforcing our lease would allow us time to come to a better arrangement," Nickels said. "We now have that deal."


A lot of you probably know of the terms yet but there are still many who don't understand why Seattle doesn't just get along with a new arena already. Basically Clay gave Seattle $45 mil in 2008 to break the lease and if the Seattle doesn't have a franchise by next year, they get an additional $30 mil, totaling $75 mil departure fund. Maybe Seattle hasn't gotten the right amount of investors yet but I think Seattle is just waiting to get the additional $30 mil before they start doing anything serious. Just don't expect any serious updates on a new arena anytime soon, maybe Seattle will use all that $75 mil to contribute to the arena but they still need more investors and ownership of a different team who wants to move the team to Seattle to pitch in.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 pm
by MitchSlapped

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 pm
by Jase
I firmly believe that the world would be a better place if Seattle had an NBA team again.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:22 pm
by fallacy
That's dumb. If Seattle doesn't have a team by 2013 all their history is permanently tied to the thunder. Im pretty sure Seattle would rather have all their history than 30 million

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:31 pm
by Supersonics41
fallacy wrote:That's dumb. If Seattle doesn't have a team by 2013 all their history is permanently tied to the thunder. Im pretty sure Seattle would rather have all their history than 30 million


All thanks to a mayor, that is no longer the mayor of Seattle! :banghead:

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 pm
by Supersonics41
To those, that want to be more informed, please take some time to watch the documentary SonicsGate

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:39 pm
by elbowthrower
No, the real reason is that it takes the local politicians FOR-ever to make a decision.

We have an elevated highway running along the periphery of downtown Seattle that *will* fall down next time there's a major earthquake, and it took 10 years after the most recent earthquake to come up with a plan to replace it. And even after the plan was decided and agreed upon, the next mayor came along and tried to un-do the plan. It's one of those annoying things about the city.

Recent news is that the arena proposal on the table was subjected to a traffic review and now that the review is done, other parties want additional reviews of the review. And then you have the Seattle Times, the port, the Mariners (who should shut the **** up because they suck and have for years after they got their REALLY publicly funded stadium) and who knows whoever else calling for more scrutiny of the proposal.

Unless Hansen says he's got a deal for a team in his pocket and the city needs to decide NOW, nothing will get done. Which in some ways is good. But in the meantime there will be studies of studies and counter proposals and arguments and so on and so on.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:41 pm
by BubbaTee
No, the problem is Initiative 91, which was passed by Seattle voters back in 2006 when the Sonics were still in town, and contributed largely to the team leaving.

Initiative 91 prohibits any public money from being spent to help build a stadium unless the city gets back a return on the money at least equal to the going rate of a 30-year US Treasury bond (currently ~2.7%).

http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~public/i ... init91.htm

Seattle is pretty much the only municipality in the US with such a rule regarding public money and stadium construction. As such, it makes little sense for any sports franchise owner to target Seattle, despite the size of the market, when much more lucrative setups can be found elsewhere.

I-91 is also a large reason why it took so long to renovate Husky Stadium, where the University of Washington plays football, even though the stadium was old, crumbling, and badly in need of repairs/renovation.

(note: public subsidies for the stadiums of Seattle's NFL and MLB teams were passed before the passage of I-91)

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:46 pm
by Frank Mulely
kudos to seattle for not giving team owners corporate welfare unlike the idiots in okc.

also, its sickening that okc is gonna take the sonics history. honestly i'm a lifelong anti-okc rooter just for this reason.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:46 pm
by MitchSlapped
fallacy wrote:That's dumb. If Seattle doesn't have a team by 2013 all their history is permanently tied to the thunder. Im pretty sure Seattle would rather have all their history than 30 million


Honestly I really don't think anyone who followed the NBA from before the Sonics left to after they left will consider the new Sonics team the same team it was before. Stern doesn't want any expansion teams so Sonics are basically taking someone else's history. When the Thunder made it to the finals one of the first things that popped into my mind was the fact that this franchise is back in the finals for the first time since 1996. OKC being in the finals for the first time never crossed my mind. You can definitely say that the city of Seattle won a championship in 1979 but with a new franchise coming to Seattle you're taking their previous history. Everyone acknowledges the Lakers as a franchise that won 16 championships, not just 11 because 5 were in Minneapolis. To me, if the Thunder win the championship this year I'll regard them as a team with 2 rings, not just 1. All I'm saying is that you can't have a judge rule whether a team gets to keep its history or not. What happened happened. NCAA always punishes teams who violate rules with wiping out their seasons from history books, but really, who actually takes that into consideration?

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:50 pm
by MitchSlapped
elbowthrower wrote:No, the real reason is that it takes the local politicians FOR-ever to make a decision.

We have an elevated highway running along the periphery of downtown Seattle that *will* fall down next time there's a major earthquake, and it took 10 years after the most recent earthquake to come up with a plan to replace it. And even after the plan was decided and agreed upon, the next mayor came along and tried to un-do the plan. It's one of those annoying things about the city.

Recent news is that the arena proposal on the table was subjected to a traffic review and now that the review is done, other parties want additional reviews of the review. And then you have the Seattle Times, the port, the Mariners (who should shut the **** up because they suck and have for years after they got their REALLY publicly funded stadium) and who knows whoever else calling for more scrutiny of the proposal.

Unless Hansen says he's got a deal for a team in his pocket and the city needs to decide NOW, nothing will get done. Which in some ways is good. But in the meantime there will be studies of studies and counter proposals and arguments and so on and so on.


I understand what you're saying and I think you can tie what I said about getting the additional $30 mil to what you're saying. For all we know Hansen could have a plan and money ready but Seattle wants that $30 mil anyways. That's probably unlikely but I still think the money is tied into their decision making.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:51 pm
by BubbaTee
Frank Mulely wrote:kudos to seattle for not giving team owners corporate welfare unlike the idiots in okc.

also, its sickening that okc is gonna take the sonics history. honestly i'm a lifelong anti-okc rooter just for this reason.


Good for Seattle taxpayers.
Bad for Sonics fans.
There are a lot more Seattle taxpayers in Seattle than there are Sonics fans.


Not sure why that equates to being anti-OKC, though. OKC is hardly the only city in the US to provide pro sports teams with public subsidies, whether in the form of direct money (eg, Amway in Orlando) or tax breaks (eg, Staples Center in LA) or a combination of both.

OKC is playing the same game as every other city in the US (other than Seattle, since 2006), they didn't make up the rules.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:55 pm
by Supersonics41
ShanWow wrote:
fallacy wrote:That's dumb. If Seattle doesn't have a team by 2013 all their history is permanently tied to the thunder. Im pretty sure Seattle would rather have all their history than 30 million


Honestly I really don't think anyone who followed the NBA from before the Sonics left to after they left will consider the new Sonics team the same team it was before. Stern doesn't want any expansion teams so Sonics are basically taking someone else's history. When the Thunder made it to the finals one of the first things that popped into my mind was the fact that this franchise is back in the finals for the first time since 1996. OKC being in the finals for the first time never crossed my mind. You can definitely say that the city of Seattle won a championship in 1979 but with a new franchise coming to Seattle you're taking their previous history. Everyone acknowledges the Lakers as a franchise that won 16 championships, not just 11 because 5 were in Minneapolis. To me, if the Thunder win the championship this year I'll regard them as a team with 2 rings, not just 1. All I'm saying is that you can't have a judge rule whether a team gets to keep its history or not. What happened happened. NCAA always punishes teams who violate rules with wiping out their seasons from history books, but really, who actually takes that into consideration?

Thus the real problem with the NBA & professional sports. :nonono:

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:57 pm
by KobeBeanBryant
Supersonics41 wrote:To those, that want to be more informed, please take some time to watch the documentary SonicsGate


Even though I fully support Seattle getting a team and I dislike the Thunder's that documenty is so biased, it only tells one side of the story.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 am
by Supersonics41
KobeBeanBryant wrote:
Supersonics41 wrote:To those, that want to be more informed, please take some time to watch the documentary SonicsGate


Even though I fully support Seattle getting a team and I dislike the Thunder's that documenty is so biased, it only tells one side of the story.

Yeah, the right side! :-D

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:12 am
by bjax24
Clay Bennett is no better than any liar thief or bank robber in history. He's a liar and a scumbag, and only has Donald Sterling to thank for keeping him from being the biggest scumbag among the owners.

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:18 am
by BlockedbyEwing
Watched Sonicsgate last night for the first time to get a fuller picture of what actually went down. It's a shame...Bennett, Stern, Schultz, and the Washington government can all be blamed. Bennett is a liar, he intended to move to OKC the entire time, I dont believe for one second that he actually wanted to stay in Seattle.

It was cool seeing all those NBA players and coaches who are from the region or played for the Sonics speak out in support. A team with 40+ years of history shouldn't be stolen like that. I hope Seattle gets a team again, and they get to regain their Supersonic records/history and championship for themselves, not in OKC.

Inb4OKCfanstrashthisthread

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:19 am
by AnaheimRoyale
Huh? That's the exact opposite reason... that's the reason they have every incentive to get an arena soon, Bennett bet big they wouldn't get their act together, and they didn't disappoint... did you accidentally type the wrong title for the thread?

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:24 am
by AnaheimRoyale
Sick of people whining about this, who don't understand economics. You are not entitled to a team!

Re: Probably main reason Seattle doesn't have arena plan yet

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:39 am
by KobeBeanBryant
AnaheimRoyale wrote:Sick of people whining about this, who don't understand economics. You are not entitled to a team!


Doesn't.