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moss_is_1 wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:If he were just a backup SF, maybe, but Jeff Green is a 3-position player
What? SF / PF and...?
Doormatt wrote:WhateverBro wrote:spearsy23 wrote:I'm assuming this thread was bumped by a celtics fan to "rub the doubter's faces in it", he's a league average player and other players having bad contracts doesn't make his better. It's a common trap to fall into 'player x is making this much so player y deserves his contract.' Well, no, that's not the way it works.
What numbers support him an average player in this league? Hes clearly above average and has allstar level potential.
pretty much every advnaced stat. his RAPM (hes 279th this year), his IPV (ranked 245th), his on/off, etc.
dude is super **** average, what do you think hes an entirely different player than when he was playing for OKC? he was average there and hes average now, he doesnt do anything that well offensively (16ppg per 36 on 56TS% Is respectable, but his efficiency is slightly inflated because of his abnormally high 3pt%) and his defense is meh. celtics defense barely sees a change when hes off the court (hes -0.3 which is average) and the offense actually gets worse when hes playing by about 1.6 points.
hes a classic tweener that cant handle the ball and is just an okay scorer. he cant faciliate and he cant create for others, and his defense is pretty overrated if people think hes a difference maker, since theres pretty much no evidence for that. in no universe is he anywhere near all star caliber nor does he have the potential imo with his age and skillset.
WhateverBro wrote:I figured you would quote his season numbers which is completely useless in this case because a) coming back from heart surgery after being out for a full year b) he would be fully recovered in february according to reports.
Look at the splits since feb or even january. Thats not the numbers of an average player. Hes clearly improved his shot, shot selection and foot work. He looked out of sync in the beginning of the year but since then hes been looking like a different player. Its a small sample size but if he can sustain this level of play its no way you can argue hes average.
Doormatt wrote:WhateverBro wrote:I figured you would quote his season numbers which is completely useless in this case because a) coming back from heart surgery after being out for a full year b) he would be fully recovered in february according to reports.
Look at the splits since feb or even january. Thats not the numbers of an average player. Hes clearly improved his shot, shot selection and foot work. He looked out of sync in the beginning of the year but since then hes been looking like a different player. Its a small sample size but if he can sustain this level of play its no way you can argue hes average.
haha so youre just going to ignore the player hes been for 5+ years and his skillset as a tweener? ok cool, you do that.
btw he had a good stretch in '10 from around february-april where he averaged ~16/6/1 shooting ~47% from the field and 42% from 3.
he is who he is, hes not going to suddenly become a better player because hes a celtic
pross wrote:Doormatt wrote:WhateverBro wrote:I figured you would quote his season numbers which is completely useless in this case because a) coming back from heart surgery after being out for a full year b) he would be fully recovered in february according to reports.
Look at the splits since feb or even january. Thats not the numbers of an average player. Hes clearly improved his shot, shot selection and foot work. He looked out of sync in the beginning of the year but since then hes been looking like a different player. Its a small sample size but if he can sustain this level of play its no way you can argue hes average.
haha so youre just going to ignore the player hes been for 5+ years and his skillset as a tweener? ok cool, you do that.
btw he had a good stretch in '10 from around february-april where he averaged ~16/6/1 shooting ~47% from the field and 42% from 3.
he is who he is, hes not going to suddenly become a better player because hes a celtic
Of course not but you can't just deny the fact that he had a FULL YEAR off basketball. That's not easy to come back from and even early reports suggested he wouldn't be back to full strength until Jan/Feb. Take a look at his stats from then and they'll show you he's above average. I'm not saying he is a superstar in the making or even an all-star, but I can guarantee probably half the league would prefer him starting at the 3 then who they currently have.
pross wrote:Doormatt wrote:WhateverBro wrote:I figured you would quote his season numbers which is completely useless in this case because a) coming back from heart surgery after being out for a full year b) he would be fully recovered in february according to reports.
Look at the splits since feb or even january. Thats not the numbers of an average player. Hes clearly improved his shot, shot selection and foot work. He looked out of sync in the beginning of the year but since then hes been looking like a different player. Its a small sample size but if he can sustain this level of play its no way you can argue hes average.
haha so youre just going to ignore the player hes been for 5+ years and his skillset as a tweener? ok cool, you do that.
btw he had a good stretch in '10 from around february-april where he averaged ~16/6/1 shooting ~47% from the field and 42% from 3.
he is who he is, hes not going to suddenly become a better player because hes a celtic
Of course not but you can't just deny the fact that he had a FULL YEAR off basketball. That's not easy to come back from and even early reports suggested he wouldn't be back to full strength until Jan/Feb. Take a look at his stats from then and they'll show you he's above average. I'm not saying he is a superstar in the making or even an all-star, but I can guarantee probably half the league would prefer him starting at the 3 then who they currently have.
Doormatt wrote:pross wrote:
Of course not but you can't just deny the fact that he had a FULL YEAR off basketball. That's not easy to come back from and even early reports suggested he wouldn't be back to full strength until Jan/Feb. Take a look at his stats from then and they'll show you he's above average. I'm not saying he is a superstar in the making or even an all-star, but I can guarantee probably half the league would prefer him starting at the 3 then who they currently have.
sure at least average to maybe above average when healthy, i can agree with that, but he most definitely does not have all start talent or potential. thats been quite obvious since he left OKC, he just isnt that type of player. i mean okc traded him for an average center that they give limited minutes to, do you really think the thunder are so inept that jeff green secretly had all star talent and they just gave him away/werent utilizing him? no, the reality is he just isnt that good.
pross wrote:Doormatt wrote:pross wrote:
Of course not but you can't just deny the fact that he had a FULL YEAR off basketball. That's not easy to come back from and even early reports suggested he wouldn't be back to full strength until Jan/Feb. Take a look at his stats from then and they'll show you he's above average. I'm not saying he is a superstar in the making or even an all-star, but I can guarantee probably half the league would prefer him starting at the 3 then who they currently have.
sure at least average to maybe above average when healthy, i can agree with that, but he most definitely does not have all start talent or potential. thats been quite obvious since he left OKC, he just isnt that type of player. i mean okc traded him for an average center that they give limited minutes to, do you really think the thunder are so inept that jeff green secretly had all star talent and they just gave him away/werent utilizing him? no, the reality is he just isnt that good.
Well they just traded Harden didn't they??
pross wrote:Hindsights a beautiful thing. At the time, Perkins was anchoring the best defense in the league. OKC knew they needed a defensive big to counter the Lakers twin towers of Bynum/Gasol.
To say he couldn't potentially be an allstar in the future is understating him. I'm not saying he will, but I don't think I'm overrating him in saying that it's a possibility given his form the last 3 months. The guy went toe to toe with Lebron and pretty much outplayed him. No one can say that this year except Jeff Green. The potential is there, I just hope he can remain consistent to reach that potential
Doormatt wrote:pross wrote:Doormatt wrote:
sure at least average to maybe above average when healthy, i can agree with that, but he most definitely does not have all start talent or potential. thats been quite obvious since he left OKC, he just isnt that type of player. i mean okc traded him for an average center that they give limited minutes to, do you really think the thunder are so inept that jeff green secretly had all star talent and they just gave him away/werent utilizing him? no, the reality is he just isnt that good.
Well they just traded Harden didn't they??
thats kind of different becuase they knew how good harden was but they couldnt afford to pay him and westbrook. you could argue they shoudlve just paid harden instead, and i would 100% agree, but the whole thing is apples to oranges. plus they got a pretty good package in return, the type of return teams get for star players. i think it was a mistake, a pretty big one tbh, but not a comparable situation.pross wrote:Hindsights a beautiful thing. At the time, Perkins was anchoring the best defense in the league. OKC knew they needed a defensive big to counter the Lakers twin towers of Bynum/Gasol.
perkins has never anchored anything in his entire life, and its disrespectful to kg to even suppose that. KG is the heart, the driving force, and the anchor of the celtics defense. theres a reason they fall apart defensively when KG is off the court, KG was, and continues to be, the entire defense.To say he couldn't potentially be an allstar in the future is understating him. I'm not saying he will, but I don't think I'm overrating him in saying that it's a possibility given his form the last 3 months. The guy went toe to toe with Lebron and pretty much outplayed him. No one can say that this year except Jeff Green. The potential is there, I just hope he can remain consistent to reach that potential
yeah sorry i dont see it at all. players dont suddenly become all star caliber players this late into their careers. its not like hes been sitting on the bench his whole career or not being used properly either.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
Doormatt wrote:
haha so youre just going to ignore the player hes been for 5+ years and his skillset as a tweener? ok cool, you do that.
btw he had a good stretch in '10 from around february-april where he averaged ~16/6/1 shooting ~47% from the field and 42% from 3.
he is who he is, hes not going to suddenly become a better player because hes a celtic
spearsy23 wrote:Have the C's fan base not learned anything about getting too high on players? Avery Bradley would like his mvp trophy now.
cnv2855 wrote:Scorpion King wrote:Liability for sure. They should have never traded for him. Signing him to that contract is another mistake.
From his body language he seems not happy. I bet he still misses OKC. Having Kevin Garnett has your team does not help.
Watch a few of his interviews. I have a lot of friends with bad drug habits and he sounds exactly like them when they're barred out. Listen to how he almost slurs his words, how slow they are pronounced, and how he's so "out of it".
Deathclutch23 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Have the C's fan base not learned anything about getting too high on players? Avery Bradley would like his mvp trophy now.
Salty OKC fan just stop. Most Celtics fans just consider Green to be a decent starter, don't try to generalize us. Just stop.
And @ all the people saying all star is too much of a farfetched dream , Mo **** Williams and Devin Harris were an all star. In East it's not that hard to be an all star once or twice.
Why would I be salty about a guy who would be our 8th man at BEST?“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
spearsy23 wrote:Have the C's fan base not learned anything about getting too high on players? Avery Bradley would like his mvp trophy now.
Deathclutch23 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Have the C's fan base not learned anything about getting too high on players? Avery Bradley would like his mvp trophy now.
Salty OKC fan just stop. Most Celtics fans just consider Green to be a decent starter, don't try to generalize us. Just stop.
And @ all the people saying all star is too much of a farfetched dream , Mo **** Williams and Devin Harris were an all star. In East it's not that hard to be an all star once or twice.
RutgersBJJ wrote:Deathclutch23 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Have the C's fan base not learned anything about getting too high on players? Avery Bradley would like his mvp trophy now.
Salty OKC fan just stop. Most Celtics fans just consider Green to be a decent starter, don't try to generalize us. Just stop.
And @ all the people saying all star is too much of a farfetched dream , Mo **** Williams and Devin Harris were an all star. In East it's not that hard to be an all star once or twice.
At the front-court position? No chance. You named two guards who made it when guard depth was terrible. He has no chance. He'll never put up better years than Josh Smith has the past 3 seasons and Smith never even came close to making the team. On any given year there is Melo, Bosh, George, Granger, Lopez, Noah, Lebron, and Horford. Green will obviously never make an all-star team.
