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Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:24 am
by therealbig3
The dude is flat out ballin' so far this year. He's been the Nets best player over their first 11 games, better than D-Will (who actually hasn't even been terrible until the last 2 games).
Yeah, yeah, I know his rebounding is unimpressive, but if you look at his numbers on a per 36 basis, he's actually averaging over 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. He's just being played less by Avery Johnson since he's coming off a year of injury.
He's scoring really well, and has carried the Nets offensively in a lot of their games, including tonight against the Clippers and before against the Lakers in a tightly contested game.
And, those that have watched him this season would know that he's actually playing solid defense this year. He's protecting the rim a lot better, and he just understands where he needs to be way better than he used to. He's a big reason why the Nets have been playing pretty good defense lately, and are sitting with a 7-4 record.
I think removing the center position from the All-Star game is going to hurt him, but based on the old format, I'd have to say, outside of Varejao, it's pretty obvious to me that Lopez has been the best center in the East so far this season and would definitely deserve a spot on the All-Star team.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 am
by ComboGuardCity
7 rebounds per 36 for a center is not just unimpressive, it's terrible. He's also not a very good passer either. He might get in because his team is winning, but I wouldn't give him the nod.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:01 am
by therealbig3
ComboGuardCity wrote:7 rebounds per 36 for a center is not just unimpressive, it's terrible. He's also not a very good passer either. He might get in because his team is winning, but I wouldn't give him the nod.
Again, you need to watch him play this year. He's really improved every facet of his game, including his passing. He's been making some nice interior passes to Humphries down low, and has handled double teams pretty well.
Lopez is also playing with a bunch of great rebounders, including Humphries, Wallace, and Evans, and still averaging over 7 rebounds per 36. That needs to be considered. And I never hear about Marc Gasol's terrible rebounding...
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:12 pm
by No Offense
Not if Anderson Varejao stays healthy.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:27 pm
by Trader_Joe
He's been the MVP by far for the Nets but he won't be an AS.
His rebounding is his red flag, though as a whole the Nets are fine on the glass which is all that matters.
What people don't realize is how good his defense has been this year. Top 5 in blocks, with 3 or more blocks in 7 games. He's challenging shots, and not getting abused in the post at all. Even his pick and roll defense has improved.
Offensivley he is the best center in the game (a case could be made for Dwight), though his FT% is down from his usual 80%. He's only played 20 games with Deron but they are finally starting to click.
Finally the other thing people don't realize...how enormous he is. So far this season not a single player on another team has come close to his size. Kg, gasol, vucevic, Jordan, varejao, hollins, bargnani, pekovic, etc. he towers over all them and looks like hes 7'2" and he has a 9'5 reach. He's put on muscle and is built to boot. I'm looking forward to playing Indy and NY to compare him size wise to Chandler and Hibbert, two of the taller centers out there.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:29 pm
by ChiCitySPORTS#1
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Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:30 pm
by TheGarden
therealbig3 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:7 rebounds per 36 for a center is not just unimpressive, it's terrible. He's also not a very good passer either. He might get in because his team is winning, but I wouldn't give him the nod.
Again, you need to watch him play this year. He's really improved every facet of his game, including his passing. He's been making some nice interior passes to Humphries down low, and has handled double teams pretty well.
Lopez is also playing with a bunch of great rebounders, including Humphries, Wallace, and Evans, and still averaging over 7 rebounds per 36. That needs to be considered. And I never hear about Marc Gasol's terrible rebounding...
7 rebounds per 36 is down right bad but his offense is good, his D is okay nothing special but we always knew he could score it was always can he stay healthy and rebound, you dont go to the All-Star game for staying healthy and he's not rebounding well enough
I doubt any Net gets in because they deserve but one will get in because their record is good right now similar to Iguodala and Hibbert getting in last year
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:01 pm
by Sharcm1
the only reason people bash lopez is because of his rebounding. Ok he is a center and doesn't rebound that well. But he has players on his team that take plenty of rebounds from him like Hump and Evans.
I watch these great rebounding centers, guys like howard, and yes they rebound hard to get rebounds but most of them come from them getting all the easy rebounds. No other player on the lakers or the magic before would take a rebound from howard. They know it's his to get and leave it for him. Howard pads his rebounding stats all the time. Lopez doesn't. So many times he just blocks out and sees that one of his teammates will get the rebound and he runs down the court to set up offense. You call that a flaw but I don't. He is unselfish and if the nets wanted to pad his rebound stats then they would just have him get all the easy ones and have everyone else back off.
The people who bash lopez on his rebounding stats never actually watch him play and only go by what they see on a boxscore. watch him play and tell me he isn't an allstar. Until then stfu
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:06 pm
by TwentyOne920
Brook's the best center in the East not named Chris Bosh...
And All-Star nods are typically influenced by points first and foremost.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:06 pm
by andyo
Trader_Joe wrote:Offensivley he is the best center in the game (a case could be made for Dwight), though his FT% is down from his usual 80%. He's only played 20 games with Deron but they are finally starting to click.
Finally the other thing people don't realize...how enormous he is. So far this season not a single player on another team has come close to his size. Kg, gasol, vucevic, Jordan, varejao, hollins, bargnani, pekovic, etc. he towers over all them and looks like hes 7'2" and he has a 9'5 reach. He's put on muscle and is built to boot. I'm looking forward to playing Indy and NY to compare him size wise to Chandler and Hibbert, two of the taller centers out there.
No chance he is the best center offensively. Isn't Bosh playing center this year? Marc Gasol is another guy who is a lot more adept offensively then Lopez, averaging about 5 assist into the season as well. Those are just two names off the top of my head.
Just looking around at the advance stats of the 3 so far this season. Marc Gasol has a 134 ORTG, Bosh 121 ORTG. Lopez? 112 ORTG. I'm sure there are more examples to indicate otherwise but I think it's pretty ludicrous to label his as the "best offensive center" in such an absolute.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:17 pm
by Trader_Joe
andyo wrote:Trader_Joe wrote:Offensivley he is the best center in the game (a case could be made for Dwight), though his FT% is down from his usual 80%. He's only played 20 games with Deron but they are finally starting to click.
Finally the other thing people don't realize...how enormous he is. So far this season not a single player on another team has come close to his size. Kg, gasol, vucevic, Jordan, varejao, hollins, bargnani, pekovic, etc. he towers over all them and looks like hes 7'2" and he has a 9'5 reach. He's put on muscle and is built to boot. I'm looking forward to playing Indy and NY to compare him size wise to Chandler and Hibbert, two of the taller centers out there.
No chance he is the best center offensively. Isn't Bosh playing center this year? Marc Gasol is another guy who is a lot more adept offensively then Lopez, averaging about 5 assist into the season as well. Those are just two names off the top of my head.
Just looking around at the advance stats of the 3 so far this season. Marc Gasol has a 134 ORTG, Bosh 121 ORTG. Lopez? 112 ORTG. I'm sure there are more examples to indicate otherwise but I think it's pretty ludicrous to label his as the "best offensive center" in such an absolute.
You haven't seen him play your team yet,just wait.
#1 scoring among centers
#1 in field goals per 48
#2 in 1st quarter scoring behind Melo
He is a better scorer than Gasol. It is not ludicrous..but perhaps I should have said scorer as Gasol's passing is very nice.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:58 pm
by N Ireland Nets
I bet everyone commenting on Lopez who isn't a Brooklyn fan has barely watched Lopez this season and is just commenting on box scores.
Lopez's defence is vastly improved along with his passing and you have to watch him to appreciate it.
His offense is fantastic and has also taken another step forward. He has a crazy amount of post moves and seems to have lifted his entire game to another level.
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (13.12)
vs Howard & Gasol 23pts 11 – 18 FG
vs Jordan 26pts 13-24 FG
vs Garnett 24 pts 11-14 FG
He's playing very well and he deserves to be an All Star this season in the East so long as he keeps this level of play up
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:06 pm
by Pimpwerx
Bropez is underrated. I said the Net's offer was best for Dwight, as ORL would have gotten a top center with a small ego, who can produce for them. I also picked him for my fantasy team this season, expecting him to improve. I didn't expect him to show this well, this early, but I'm not surprised. He's a talented big. I thought the big question was how would he cope with the injury. Foot injuries and 7 footers are bad news. PEACE.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:12 pm
by Bodhi
Pimpwerx wrote:Bropez is underrated. I said the Net's offer was best for Dwight, as ORL would have gotten a top center with a small ego, who can produce for them. I also picked him for my fantasy team this season, expecting him to improve. I didn't expect him to show this well, this early, but I'm not surprised. He's a talented big. I thought the big question was how would he cope with the injury. Foot injuries and 7 footers are bad news. PEACE.
In terms of what would win them the most games this year? Then I'd agree it was the best offer. But by that logic the Lakers offer for CP3 was much better than the Clippers offer
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:31 pm
by Adam1221
Bodhi wrote:Pimpwerx wrote:Bropez is underrated. I said the Net's offer was best for Dwight, as ORL would have gotten a top center with a small ego, who can produce for them. I also picked him for my fantasy team this season, expecting him to improve. I didn't expect him to show this well, this early, but I'm not surprised. He's a talented big. I thought the big question was how would he cope with the injury. Foot injuries and 7 footers are bad news. PEACE.
In terms of what would win them the most games this year? Then I'd agree it was the best offer. But by that logic the Lakers offer for CP3 was much better than the Clippers offer
The Nets offer would have given the Magic much better assets for a rebuild as well.
Marshon and Lopez both have way more talent than Afflalo.
Anyway Brook is an all star no way to sugar coat it.
He's been the best player on a 7-4 team, has improved his game in every area and anyone that actually watches the game's can see that he can up his rebounding numbers with ease if he cared about pading his stats, he's playing next to elite rebounders like Hump and Evans and the Nets as a team are an elite rebounding team thanks in part to his boxing out.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:36 pm
by EscapoTHB
Definitely an all star.
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Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:01 pm
by vincecarter4pres
It's early, but he has been one of the flat out best players in the league so far period.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:52 pm
by AKFO
LOL at whoever said M. Gasol is a better offensive center than Brook Lopez. And I love Gasol.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:58 pm
by Yungsta404
i watched alot of nets game and hes been ballin. He has been the best player on the team.
Re: Does Brook Lopez deserve to be an All-Star?
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:24 pm
by HornetJail
If he could consistently defend, pass, or even attempt to rebound the ball, I'd consider him. His game is Bargnani-like, he scores, but doesn't much else at a high level. There's a lot more to defense than just blocking shots.