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kodo wrote:

Massamba wrote:In my opinion, Lance is still a great champion. Michael Jordan, Barkley, thoses guys probobly used something, so what? Rafale Araujo used steroids and he never made a great carrer in nba.

The effectiveness of whatever "PEDs" guys from the 80s had access to would be a joke compared to what's available now.

Like comparing a mobile phone form the 80s to what you can get these days.

But watching Tim Duncan's resurgent season makes me want to legalize PEDs for any stars above the age of 35.

StocktonShorts wrote:Anyone arguing that PEDs won't help a basketball player is extremely ignorant.

My guess is that in-season they're using stimulants and testosterone patches (for recovery).

MrBigShot wrote:He isn't saying that the NBA requires "more or less" skill than other sports, but you have to admit, enhancement drugs tend to have more of a direct effect on performance in other sports, such as baseball. I'm not baseball experts, but I know that steroids will generally help a guy get stronger/bigger which will result in harder hits, and more home runs.

Using enhancement drugs in the NBA has less of a direct affect. Using a drug to aid in muscle growth wont necessarily help you make more shots if aren't skilled enough to shoot well or finish through contact.

In that regard, performance in the NBA is less reliant on them. I think the biggest thing it does is to help their endurance/recovery, which I don't mind. Players already use ice and acupuncture to recover after games anyway. I think allowing them players to play as well as possible during longer stretches is a good thing.

andyhop wrote:If a high percentage of NBA players aren't taking some form of PED then they are either the most ethical or the stupidest group of sportsmen in the world.The risk/reward ratio in the NBA is massively in favour of taking something due to the lack of testing.

yaaar wrote:There has to be tons of use going on. I'm pretty sure almost every athlete in the NBA is using something banned on some level, even if it's just something to give them a harder workout for a few hours in the off season or something to recover after a game. It just makes too much sense to do it.

People don't understand how easy it is to use this stuff without getting caught. Even hard core olympic testing is regarded as "more of an IQ test than a drug test" since it's so easy to beat. There are things that only last in your blood for a few hours. How can they catch someone like that when they have to announce tests and athletes are legally allowed to not take a given test for any reason as long as they don't exceed a certain number of denials? It's the dirty secret of every major sport. They have to create the illusion of the players being clean for the sake of the fantasy of the true athlete, but as long as they sell tickets the leagues don't honestly care. The guys that produce this stuff are so far ahead of the testing it's a joke. Which isn't hard to do when no one is actually interested in chasing them. I'm guessing everyone at the top levels are on something. From what I understand high school sports are running rampant with all kinds of stuff right now. You don't think a guy trying to earn an extra 10 million dollars isn't going to inject a little something to get his ankle to heal a bit faster or have a faster turnaround between work outs?

Fran Vasquez wrote:armstrong did NOT get away with it per se, he PAID people in the international cycling union to make those positive tests dissappear, he had them on the books, his whole team was protected because he paid the higher ups because that team was making 10 times more money that the other teams put together, he higher in the international cycling union, Mcquaid and Verbruggen, dont want to go to jail and are probably paying back armstrong now so he shuts his pie eating epo swallowing mouth.
But lets get some things clear:
He lied when he said he hadnt been caught, he lied when he said he was not doping on his comeback and then he LIED AGAIN when he said biological passport works and cant be cheated. If he ends up participating in triathlon, with biological passport, he WILL dope again

And this is just from his last interview with oprah.

Im sure basketball players dope, im sure they need doping for both stamina and recuperation times on injuries not just for getting bigger, but the game is still about getting the ball in a very small cilinder and you cant do it one on five, its not the same that in track and field or cycling. Plus crooked refs are 100 times more important on results, that makes doping IRRELEVANT on team sports

MellowRose wrote:

ozzykhan16 wrote:Who cares, just legalizes PEDs. Lets see how good they can be, and level the playing field.

Lol, people actually have a conscience and believe in something called religion. You can brush those people who don't want anything to do with drugs under the rug, but that would definitely not be leveling the playing field.

yaaar wrote:There has to be tons of use going on. I'm pretty sure almost every athlete in the NBA is using something banned on some level, even if it's just something to give them a harder workout for a few hours in the off season or something to recover after a game. It just makes too much sense to do it.

People don't understand how easy it is to use this stuff without getting caught. Even hard core olympic testing is regarded as "more of an IQ test than a drug test" since it's so easy to beat. There are things that only last in your blood for a few hours. How can they catch someone like that when they have to announce tests and athletes are legally allowed to not take a given test for any reason as long as they don't exceed a certain number of denials? It's the dirty secret of every major sport. They have to create the illusion of the players being clean for the sake of the fantasy of the true athlete, but as long as they sell tickets the leagues don't honestly care. The guys that produce this stuff are so far ahead of the testing it's a joke. Which isn't hard to do when no one is actually interested in chasing them. I'm guessing everyone at the top levels are on something. From what I understand high school sports are running rampant with all kinds of stuff right now. You don't think a guy trying to earn an extra 10 million dollars isn't going to inject a little something to get his ankle to heal a bit faster or have a faster turnaround between work outs?