Harden trade: Safe to call a failure now?

keloms · Post #1 » by **keloms** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:39 pm

Now that it looks like Kevin Martin isn't being renewed, the pick from the Raptors ended up being #12, and Lamb having lowered expectations, do you consider it a failure?

Jordan45822 · Post #2 » by **Jordan45822** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:41 pm

depends if they can do a S&T for Martin (if he bolts)

ManualRam · Post #3 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:42 pm

Luigi · Post #4 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:43 pm

I think people are fixating on the Thunder's lack of success, but I chalk that up to an injured Westbrooke.

ReturnofMVP3 · Post #5 » by **ReturnofMVP3** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:47 pm

Luigi wrote:I think people are fixating on the Thunder's lack of success, but I chalk that up to an injured Westbrooke.

If Westbrook goes down and they still have Harden I think they could still go the the WCF at least.

Fobbie · Post #6 » by **Fobbie** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:50 pm

Luigi wrote:I think people are fixating on the Thunder's lack of success, but I chalk that up to an injured Westbrooke.

Still doesn't change the fact that they traded a top 3 sg/15 player in his prime for #12 pick, Lamb, and K-Mart. Unless Lamb or the center they pick up with the 12 pick turns into a solid player, they basically gave away Harden..

Archerbro · Post #7 » by **Archerbro** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:51 pm

tbd, but it isn't looking good.

especially if k mart bolts.

jamesnamida · Post #8 » by **jamesnamida** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:51 pm

Needs one more year, thd.
Lets see how harden does in his 2 md year, and lambs role and who they draft with the raptors pick + get for Martin. Martin

Frank Mulely · Post #9 » by **Frank Mulely** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:52 pm

Bad trade and if it's true Harden was going to sign at a discount in return for a no-trade clause then it is an epically bad trade.

There's just no scenario they were better off trading him last summer for crumbs instead of playing it out one more year. He was going to be restricted and they could have S&T'd him....ah nevermind we'd gone over this a million times

Neutral 123 · Post #10 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:55 pm

In the NBA trading quality for quantity almost always fails. A guy like Harden is near impossible to replace. Huge fail, and it's not even close.

SlowPaced · Post #11 » by **SlowPaced** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:57 pm

If Jeremy Lamb fails, definitely. We'll see though.

Hangtime84 · Post #12 » by **Hangtime84** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:57 pm

They could have done better

BO55 · Post #13 » by **BO55** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:58 pm

Not gonna write of Jones III and Lamb yet.
But yeah Harden on another level.

MKG35 · Post #14 » by **MKG35** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:59 pm

Yes they should have kept Harden but how would he develop on this OKC team. He wouldn't have averaged 20-26ppg. He would have been a 18ppg player and occasionally take over the scoring with big numbers.

He's now the #1 option and scorer, he couldn't and wouldn't have gotten that chance with OKC. He HAD to come off the bench like Manu does with the Spurs, he didn't want to (anymore). It wouldn't make any sense to have a starting 5 of WB-Harden-Durant-Ibaka-Perkins.

Let's just hope Lamb develops in something good.

BeasleyTheBeast · Post #15 » by **BeasleyTheBeast** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:03 pm

Jeremy Lamb still got potential, and nobody knows how good Steve Adams can be

Luigi · Post #16 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:07 pm

Fobbie wrote:
Luigi wrote:I think people are fixating on the Thunder's lack of success, but I chalk that up to an injured Westbrooke.

Still doesn't change the fact that they traded a top 3 sg/15 player in his prime for #12 pick, Lamb, and K-Mart. Unless Lamb or the center they pick up with the 12 pick turns into a solid player, they basically gave away Harden..

I don't think Harden is a top 15 player. He's got a nice 3 pt / drive for free throws game, but he's missing a lot on both ends to be top 15.

I could be misremembering, but wasn't it a financial choice between Harden and Westbrook?

Kayjay · Post #17 » by **Kayjay** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:10 pm

Luigi wrote:I could be misremembering, but wasn't it a financial choice between Harden and Westbrook?

meaningfully the choice was between harden and ibaka

LikeABosh · Post #18 » by **LikeABosh** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:10 pm

We'll have to see how Lamb and Shabazz turn out

Actually, nvm. It was a bad trade

PacificBlazer · Post #19 » by **PacificBlazer** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:13 pm

They blew it. When you have a guy like Harden, you rarely will get back anything that comes close to his value, no matter how many players you stack up.

Franchise changing trade.

Fobbie · Post #20 » by **Fobbie** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:14 pm

Luigi wrote:
Fobbie wrote:
Luigi wrote:I think people are fixating on the Thunder's lack of success, but I chalk that up to an injured Westbrooke.

Still doesn't change the fact that they traded a top 3 sg/15 player in his prime for #12 pick, Lamb, and K-Mart. Unless Lamb or the center they pick up with the 12 pick turns into a solid player, they basically gave away Harden..

I don't think Harden is a top 15 player. He's got a nice 3 pt / drive for free throws game, but he's missing a lot on both ends to be top 15.

I could be misremembering, but wasn't it a financial choice between Harden and Westbrook?

Between Ibaka and Harden. LOL i was being generous saying top 15.. Some think he's top 10. But either way, a 23 year old franchise player for right now seem to be peanut..

Was the Harden trade a failure?