Has Brandon Jennings finally turned the corner?

Mr Peanut · Post #1 » by **Mr Peanut** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:09 am

Just had 28 points and 14 assists leading the Pistons to a win over the Celtics for the 4th best record in the East (in b4 East is terrible).

This season he is averaging 17.5 points, 8.0 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.6 steals on 39.4% FG and 36.7% 3PT.

Those watching the games will see his shot selection has been much better this season (shooting over 41% in December after a slow start to the season) and he is passing more (backed up by his assist numbers).

For critics of his FG% he is shooting very similar numbers to Kyrie Irving, John Wall and Kemba Walker and better from 3PT than all of them.

His assists per game are good for 4th-tied in the NBA along with Jrue Holiday and Ty Lawson.

It seems Jennings has almost a universal bias against him by RealGM, but is it fair to say he has finally turned the corner as a player in this league?

Edrees · Post #2 » by **Edrees** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:12 am

Thank you for not titling this thread "is Brandon Jennings legit?"

Post #3 » by **tsherkin** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:13 am

He is still shooting under 40% from the field on the season, turning the ball over and sucking a lot.

He hasn't turned anything...

Moose10Fan · Post #4 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:16 am

He's playing a lot better right now.

bballcool34 · Post #5 » by **bballcool34** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:17 am

Took terrible shots that went in against the Celtics, that step back

MrBigShot · Post #6 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:18 am

He's having the best season of of his career right now for sure. He's had a lot really incredible games, and a some bad ones as well. His playmaking has been a pleasant surprise.

NothingButLuck · Post #7 » by **NothingButLuck** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:20 am

One good game and he's turning the corner? Does it only take this much for a poster to make a... oh wait, this is realgm. :lol:

bigpimpatl · Post #8 » by **bigpimpatl** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:21 am

the best part was "if you watch the games you'll know his shot selection is better."

Ever heard of a shot chart? it tells you the same thing.

Mr Peanut · Post #9 » by **Mr Peanut** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:21 am

IronicMan wrote:One good game and he's turning the corner? Does it only take this much for a poster to make a... oh wait, this is realgm.

I posted his season stats to back up the fact he has played an integral part in leading the Pistons to the 4th best record in the East.

Maybe read the entire post before making condescending comments...oh wait, this is realgm.

MrBigShot · Post #10 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:22 am

IronicMan wrote:One good game and he's turning the corner? Does it only take this much for a poster to make a... oh wait, this is realgm.

The awkward moment when he's had a lot more than one good game......

Mr Peanut · Post #11 » by **Mr Peanut** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:23 am

bigpimpatl wrote:the best part was "if you watch the games you'll know his shot selection is better."

Ever heard of a shot chart? it tells you the same thing.

No substitute for watching the games. A shot chart doesn't tell you if they were contested shots, how early or late in the shot clock they were or whether there was an open man to pass to instead of shooting.

NothingButLuck · Post #12 » by **NothingButLuck** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:28 am

49.3% TS with a 16.5% TOV% even though he chucks so much, tells me he sucks a lot more than he's good.

Fine. He had three good games this season. Happy? :lol:

Q00 · Post #13 » by **Q00** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:31 am

List of PGs shooting around 40%

Lilliard
Westbrook
Irving
Wall
Jennings
Kemba

Can someone please explain once and for all why Jennings is the only one on this list who gets criticized here for his ~40% shooting?

Moose10Fan · Post #14 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:31 am

Advanced metric are ruining basketball discussion, everything isn't a science.

Q00 · Post #15 » by **Q00** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:36 am

bigpimpatl wrote:the best part was "if you watch the games you'll know his shot selection is better."

Ever heard of a shot chart? it tells you the same thing.

No, it doesn't tell you the same thing, but you might have answered my question above. I'm guessing the reason Jennings continues to get flack on here, but these other PGs don't is because you actually watch them play, and just look at Jennings stats/shot chart to form your opinion on him.

Shot selection is more than just location on the floor and shot attempts. Its actually more about timing and the flow of the game, than it is where you shoot from or how many you take. Things you have no possible way of knowing just by looking at a shot chart.

Q00 · Post #16 » by **Q00** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:37 am

Moose10Fan wrote:Advanced metric are ruining basketball discussion, everything isn't a science.

This

EscapoTHB · Post #17 » by **EscapoTHB** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:38 am

Q00 wrote:List of PGs shooting around 40%

Lilliard
Westbrook
Irving
Wall
Jennings
Kemba

Can someone please explain once and for all why Jennings is the only one on this list who gets criticized here for his ~40% shooting?

Jennings is the total package of fail. Turnovers plus bad shooting plus no defense. He is probably among the worst starting pgs in the Nba.

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Mr Peanut · Post #18 » by **Mr Peanut** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:38 am

Moose10Fan wrote:Advanced metric are ruining basketball discussion, everything isn't a science.

No doubt advanced metrics have their uses, but on RealGM they seem more of a convenient way for the casual basketball fan who doesn't watch games to try justify their argument and sound informed on a topic they know little about.

bigpimpatl · Post #19 » by **bigpimpatl** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:39 am

Mr Peanut wrote:
bigpimpatl wrote:the best part was "if you watch the games you'll know his shot selection is better."

Ever heard of a shot chart? it tells you the same thing.

No substitute for watching the games. A shot chart doesn't tell you if they were contested shots, how early or late in the shot clock they were or whether there was an open man to pass to instead of shooting.

fine, a shot chart doesn't tell you that, but there's a stat that does.

Shot defense is defined by CAC as the pressure that a defender applies to the shooter. There are 7 possible values:

OPEN (no defender within 5 feet of player)
GUARDED (defender within 3 to 5 feet)
PRESSURED (defender within 3 feet but no hand up)
CONTESTED (defender within 3 feet and hand is up in front of shooter)
ALTERED (defender within 3 feet, hand is up, and shooter is forced to change shooting angle or release point while in air)
BLOCK (defender blocks shot)
FOUL (defender fouls shooter)

https://auth.cacvantage.com/
http://www.d3coder.com/thecity/2012/10/ ... t-defense/

and, if you can do a little math, you can figure out how many seconds were on the shot clock just by looking at the game logs.

zeebneeb · Post #20 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:40 am

tsherkin wrote:He is still shooting under 40% from the field on the season, turning the ball over and sucking a lot.

He hasn't turned anything...

Spoken like someone who hasn't watched a lot of Jennings this year, obviously.