Which NY team is in worse position?

number15 · Post #1 » by **number15** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:40 pm

Both teams gutted their future and suck now.

which is in a better situation though? ..... for the future

NyAvenger · Post #2 » by **NyAvenger** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:47 pm

I would have to say the Knicks. They pretty much have no contracts after 2015 outside of JR and Felton. Brooklyn is stuck with a fat Williams and Lopez.

But both are truly bad with few picks.

baubo · Post #3 » by **baubo** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:54 pm

A smart GM can turn around the Knicks a lot faster than the Nets. Melo can still command a king's ransom on the market. And their cap situation resolve entirely in 2 years. The Nets have no player of any value on the market because no one will touch Deron or Lopez in fear of their injuries.

Of course, Billy King runs the Nets and James Dolan runs the Knicks. So really neither has a chance to turn it around.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #4 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:59 pm

NyAvenger wrote:I would have to say the Knicks. They pretty much have no contracts after 2015 outside of JR and Felton. Brooklyn is stuck with a fat Williams and Lopez.

But both are truly bad with few picks.

having no contracts past 2015 is a bad thing? makes it easier to clean house. also, the knicks at least have some picks...the nets may not get their own pick for a while. and then there is the chance that king decides this season is salvageable and makes another trade...or trades picks to get rid of players currently on the team.

both teams have a rough future, but i think the knicks definitely have a "better" chance of turning it around faster.

barborous · Post #5 » by **barborous** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:04 pm

number15 wrote:Both teams gutted their future and suck now.

which is in a better situation though? ..... for the future

Your thread title and post ask opposite questions, which I think confused some people.

SlowPaced · Post #6 » by **SlowPaced** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:06 pm

Brooklyn are in horrible position. Knicks can turn it around in the near future.

kerry kittles · Post #7 » by **kerry kittles** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:12 pm

Does someone need to create this exact same thread every week?

NothingButLuck · Post #8 » by **NothingButLuck** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:26 pm

Depends on what the Knicks do with Carmelo Anthony. If they give him the Kobe-max...

xStanton27 · Post #9 » by **xStanton27** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:34 pm

Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

NYs Finest · Post #10 » by **NYs Finest** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:43 pm

xStanton27 wrote:Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

Dolan is cheap?? He's an effing moron, but he spends tons of money.

ComeAtMeBro · Post #11 » by **ComeAtMeBro** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:45 pm

The Nets have pretty much destroyed their future with aging and big contracts, no picks, and no real young talent to groom.

Best bet is to cash out on everyone they possibly can at this point.

Knicks are pretty ****, too.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #12 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:46 pm

Both are ****.

Post #13 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:55 pm

xStanton27 wrote:Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

Spending anything is nice and all (although it is hard to argue he will outspend Dolan), with the new CBA and limited draft picks (especially since the either do not have picks or they are already subject to swap options), it makes it damn hard to just spend your way out of trouble. Even under the old CBA spending as much as possible did not work if you did not have trade assets nor a GM that understands how to build a team.

Fact is the Nets are capped out for the next 3 years, while they may be able to make moves to get other players, and trading expiring contracts, they are limited in players with trade value that will get them out of this mess, and limited in draft picks, meaning they are getting more overpaid players to replace their current overpaid roster if they do that.

Ayt · Post #14 » by **Ayt** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:00 pm

NYs Finest wrote:
xStanton27 wrote:Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

Dolan is cheap?? He's an effing moron, but he spends tons of money.

Yeah. What an odd thing to post. No team has spent more in the last 10 years than the Knicks. They are the opposite of cheap.

rickrolled · Post #15 » by **rickrolled** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:01 pm

Knicks are better off, they don't have so much on the books for the 15/16 season.

The Nets have 2 expirings going into the 15/16 season. One for Brook Lopez that is a decent 16 million and one for 25 million that's unmovable for Johnson.

They could trade for some other bad contracts, but I think they stick with the Nets. Deron doesnt have much value either.

Knicks almost certainly will lose Melo, but they have no picks for a few years. So their cap space is useless. They do however have a one year head start towards a rebuild over the Nets.

They are both going to stink for a few years.

Post #16 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:06 pm

rickrolled wrote:Knicks are better off, they don't have so much on the books for the 15/16 season.

The Nets have 2 expirings going into the 15/16 season. One for Brook Lopez that is a decent 16 million and one for 25 million that's unmovable for Johnson.

They could trade for some other bad contracts, but I think they stick with the Nets. Deron doesnt have much value either.

Knicks almost certainly will lose Melo, but they have no picks for a few years. So their cap space is useless. They do however have a one year head start towards a rebuild over the Nets.

They are both going to stink for a few years.

Knicks still have their draft picks in 2015, 2017-2020, The Nets end up with the Celtics picks or no picks until 2018.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #17 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:07 pm

Well the jet stream moves West to East, so at least the Knicks don't have to smell the s**t in Brooklyn. I'm going with the Knicks.

That and the Knicks only have one more year of having the deal with owing another team your unprotected lottery pick. The Nets get to look forward to that for 5 more years, longest of any team in the history of the NBA I'm sure.

dautjazz · Post #18 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:10 pm

Knicks may be "better off", but their front office sucks, so..

Nets have had a bit of misfortune combined with poor financial decisions and not thinking long term. I say misfortune because if Deron and Lopez could of maintained healthy and worked well together, they could have a very good team, especially if you consider their additions over the last summer, and Joe Johnson. Now they definitely were looking at a short window, but trading away picks if you could replace franchise players in the summers with little turnaround, then it wouldn't look so bad, but now these guys that were expected to be productive are injured, declined faster than anticipated, and their contracts are hard to move, so I give them 2-3 years before they can really start changing this core, which isn't THAT bad. The coaching decision can be fixed quite easily with a simple fire and replace, but they'll probably hold off till the summer I imagine.

KnicksManiac · Post #19 » by **KnicksManiac** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:52 pm

xStanton27 wrote:Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

Pretty terrible post right here.

1. It's nice that Prok is willing to spend anything. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. There's a salary cap in the NBA.
2. You can call Dolan a lot of things, but "cheap" is not one of them.

Want to make more posts displaying your general lack of knowledge or are you going to stop at one?

xStanton27 · Post #20 » by **xStanton27** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:30 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:
xStanton27 wrote:Knicks are way worse off.

Did everyone forget about Prokhorov? The guy is willing to spend anything.

Sure Williams and Lopez are overrated, but as soon as the contracts of Pierce and KG run out, Prokhorov will pay whatever it takes to get top free agents.

Knicks have cheap ownership and are going to lose their only attractive piece by summer

Pretty terrible post right here.

1. It's nice that Prok is willing to spend anything. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. There's a salary cap in the NBA.
2. You can call Dolan a lot of things, but "cheap" is not one of them.

Want to make more posts displaying your general lack of knowledge or are you going to stop at one?

Get off your high pedestal. Reread my post. Change cheap to bad. Tell me what is wrong with my post then? What do the knicks have that put them in a better situation that the Nets don't? And yeah there's a salary cap but obviously Prok is willing to go well into the tax, having the highest tax in the league.