2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

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Who will make the All Rookie 1st Team?

Brogdon
100
19%
Brown
25
5%
Chriss
43
8%
Embiid
94
18%
Ferrell
5
1%
WILLY Hernangomez
36
7%
Hield
64
12%
Ingram
14
3%
Murray
39
7%
Saric
106
20%
 
Total votes: 526

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2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1121 » by Paradise » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:21 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Paradise wrote:Caris LeVert is starting to excel as a starting Small Forward. I didn't know he was this athletic.

Spoiler:


Yes, I loved him in the draft. In his last year in college, he scored 16.5 ppg, on 53.6% shooting, 44.6% from 3, with 5.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, and 1 spg. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/caris-levert-1.html

His defense was one of his questions coming out of college and he's way more advanced defensively than I thought. The Nets are developing him into a two way wing and he hasn't disappointed thus far. His shooting has ironically become his one area of struggle.


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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1122 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:33 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:I had Zubac on board for the Bulls at 14, was super surprised he fell to the 2nd.

25/7/6 for Saric again today against GSW - this kid is a star.

I like the fact he made Green his bitch twice already, both now and last time Warriors come to town with alaround numbers and efficiency. And Green is a good defender.


Yeah...Green is a good defender who - like every well-established "good defender" in the NBA - gets away with MURDER as well.

I wouldn't say that Saric made Green his b!tch...but he certainly made the DPOY go DEEP into his bag of "tricks" to get him under control. Saric needs to learn that, even when you get by someone in the NBA, others are waiting for you (which is why he had 6 turnovers last night).

Still...

25 points (on 55% shooting), 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks - at Oracle, with the DPOY guarding you...

Enough of this Brogdon ish...OK?

(and I like Brogdon)
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1123 » by islanders11040 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:35 pm



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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1124 » by bobbeaver » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:30 pm

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bobbeaver wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I had Zubac on board for the Bulls at 14, was super surprised he fell to the 2nd.

25/7/6 for Saric again today against GSW - this kid is a star.

I like the fact he made Green his bitch twice already, both now and last time Warriors come to town with alaround numbers and efficiency. And Green is a good defender.


Yeah...Green is a good defender who - like every well-established "good defender" in the NBA - gets away with MURDER as well.

I wouldn't say that Saric made Green his b!tch...but he certainly made the DPOY go DEEP into his bag of "tricks" to get him under control. Saric needs to learn that, even when you get by someone in the NBA, others are waiting for you (which is why he had 6 turnovers last night).

Still...

25 points (on 55% shooting), 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks - at Oracle, with the DPOY guarding you...

Enough of this Brogdon ish...OK?

(and I like Brogdon)


Well that was kind of my point he did all that while getting fouled by him. Imagine if Green was called for all that he did, Saric would have certainly a 30 point game, both from the free throws and that Green wouldnt be that aggressive on him for being in foul trouble. And we are talking about a rookie vs a vet. So if you are playing by two different rules and the vet and a DPOY has all the advantage i would say he was owned and made a bitch. Now if they were playing under the same rules i would say they had both a good game.
But i agree with you on the second part, but he is a rookie so he is trying stuff out. He will learn and adapt.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1125 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:31 pm

Saric last 25 games:

17.4 PPG, 7 RPG, 3.2 APG, .9 SPG, .4 BPG, 54.7% TS

It’s his to lose at this point without taking embiid into account. Remains to be seen if voters will totally ignore the fact that he didn’t even play half a season.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1126 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:16 pm

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1127 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Lmao to my questioning Saric's ability early in this thread. Looks great.
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Jaylen brown or Brandon Ingram 

Post#1128 » by jdm_dc_fan » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:05 pm

Now that we've seen close to an entire season of these two would lakers draft brown over Ingram? It was a two player draft at the time, but in hindsight I believe lakers take brown. Both seem to be upping their game as of lately but brown is doing it at good percentages and is already a decent defender. Too early to tell their ceiling.
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Re: Jaylen brown or Brandon Ingram 

Post#1129 » by Scalabrine » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:09 pm

to the PC Board!!!!

I'd take Ingram
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Post#1130 » by Scalabrine » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:10 pm

I also suggest that instead of doing this with every pick from this year, lets just do a re-draft thread.

If execs had the choice to re-choose their picks after a season of seeing them in the NBA, where would each player land?
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1131 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:41 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Lmao to my questioning Saric's ability early in this thread. Looks great.


Much respect for this. To be fair, this Saric was nowhere to be found before January.

He looks like he is getting better every game. What rookie wall?

(and if anything, his heavy international/Olympic schedule this past summer would sure give him that excuse)
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1132 » by nitocobola » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:02 am

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Post#1134 » by Alonzo_Morning » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:17 am

Bah Gods Skal

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1135 » by stitches » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:41 am

I sometimes wonder how half the league's GMs have a job in this league? How can you miss on Skal in this weak class? HOW? I don't get it. It was so damn obvious!
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1136 » by stitches » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:47 am

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1137 » by GimmeDat » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:38 am

Skal (and Brown) are two shining examples from this class on why it's important to consider college situation.

Skal's stock tanked when he wasn't performing last year but the tools are there and he's showing now. Brown had mediocre production in college but again, the prevailing tools have made him a strong rookie this year.

I think Simmons would be another great example if he was healthy to dismiss the 'but his college team didn't win games' narrative that hurts players stock in some peoples eyes. It will be interesting to see how guys like Fultz, Smith Jr. etc. are impacted this draft class, because they mirror Simmons LSU year in the fact that they generally produced at an elite level but their team didn't do well, and attitude/consistent effort levels were questioned. For me, it's a non-factor.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1138 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:46 am

GimmeDat wrote:Skal (and Brown) are two shining examples from this class on why it's important to consider college situation.

Skal's stock tanked when he wasn't performing last year but the tools are there and he's showing now. Brown had mediocre production in college but again, the prevailing tools have made him a strong rookie this year.

I think Simmons would be another great example if he was healthy to dismiss the 'but his college team didn't win games' narrative that hurts players stock in some peoples eyes. It will be interesting to see how guys like Fultz, Smith Jr. etc. are impacted this draft class, because they mirror Simmons LSU year in the fact that they generally produced at an elite level but their team didn't do well, and attitude/consistent effort levels were questioned. For me, it's a non-factor.


Of course this is from a Phx perspective, but you could say the same about Bender, who didn't play well or sat for a euroleague team trying to do well, or even Chriss, a raw prospect who hadn't played basketball much, and didn't play that well at Washington, though he got better throughout the year. He had 5 blocks tonight.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1139 » by GimmeDat » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:48 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Skal (and Brown) are two shining examples from this class on why it's important to consider college situation.

Skal's stock tanked when he wasn't performing last year but the tools are there and he's showing now. Brown had mediocre production in college but again, the prevailing tools have made him a strong rookie this year.

I think Simmons would be another great example if he was healthy to dismiss the 'but his college team didn't win games' narrative that hurts players stock in some peoples eyes. It will be interesting to see how guys like Fultz, Smith Jr. etc. are impacted this draft class, because they mirror Simmons LSU year in the fact that they generally produced at an elite level but their team didn't do well, and attitude/consistent effort levels were questioned. For me, it's a non-factor.


Of course this is from a Phx perspective, but you could say the same about Bender, who didn't play well or sat for a euroleague team trying to do well, or even Chriss, a raw prospect who hadn't played basketball much, and didn't play that well at Washington, though he got better throughout the year. He had 5 blocks tonight.


Exactly - I remember people arguing before the draft that Bender wasn't getting many minutes/had modest production overseas. Once they get to the NBA it all means squat.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1140 » by Dan Z » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:04 am

Is Marquese Chriss a better prospect than Skal Labissiere? The Suns traded Skal (pick 28), Georgios Papagiannis (pick 13), the rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic and Detroit's 2020 second-round pick for him. I guess time will tell.

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