2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:15 am
LEBron is the best but who is the 2nd best I think it is crazy close what yall think
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Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:20 am
Kawhi Leonard. Give me a 2 way monster any day of the week
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:26 am
Harden. What he's doing with that roster is incredible.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:47 am
1. Why is Lowry on the list and who voted for him?
2. It's mind-boggling that I live in a world where a guy averaging 30/10/10 this late into the season is considered by some to be the 3rd? 4th? 5th?! best player in the league? I'm so excited to watch him go off in the playoffs. TeamRuss
2. It's mind-boggling that I live in a world where a guy averaging 30/10/10 this late into the season is considered by some to be the 3rd? 4th? 5th?! best player in the league? I'm so excited to watch him go off in the playoffs. TeamRuss
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:49 am
My Main Man wrote:1. Why is Lowry on the list and who voted for him?
2. It's mind-boggling that I live in a world where a guy averaging 30/10/10 this late into the season is considered by some to be the 3rd? 4th? 5th?! best player in the league? I'm so excited to watch him go off in the playoffs. TeamRuss
James Harden has been better, in my opinion.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:56 am
My Main Man wrote:1. Why is Lowry on the list and who voted for him?
2. It's mind-boggling that I live in a world where a guy averaging 30/10/10 this late into the season is considered by some to be the 3rd? 4th? 5th?! best player in the league? I'm so excited to watch him go off in the playoffs. TeamRuss
Lowry is 2nd in rpm and 1st in wins https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:01 am
Durant pretty easily
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:02 am
Team Westbrook here.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:14 am
Durant_ 26.1 ppg 54.3 fg% 39.0 3pt% 8.5 rpg 4.7 apg 1.2 spg 1.7 bpg 2.2 topg
Leonard 25.5 ppg 49.1 fg% 41.5 3pt% 5.7 rpg 3.2 apg 1.8 spg 0.7 bpg 1.9 topg
defensively (from what I've been hearing, Kawhi has not been doing to well this season) wheras KD (who has a bad defensive rap) is doing a lot to change that perception so far this season as he's been one of our defensive players (some of what can be evidenced by his increase in rebounding and blocking shots).
Leonard 25.5 ppg 49.1 fg% 41.5 3pt% 5.7 rpg 3.2 apg 1.8 spg 0.7 bpg 1.9 topg
defensively (from what I've been hearing, Kawhi has not been doing to well this season) wheras KD (who has a bad defensive rap) is doing a lot to change that perception so far this season as he's been one of our defensive players (some of what can be evidenced by his increase in rebounding and blocking shots).
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:15 am
Durant
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:15 am
Inigo Montoya wrote:Harden. What he's doing with that roster is incredible.
His roster really isn't bad at all. It has a good amount of firepower and is built extremely well around his playstyle.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:15 am
I think Kawhi is the second best player. There are of course a handful of other players worth being in the discussion, I just can't help but feel that Kawhi impacts both ends of the court more than anyone else aside from Lebron.
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Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:23 am
LeBron
Westbrook
Harden
Kawhi
Durant
Westbrook would have the rockets as the second best team in West with their athleticism and shooting. Meanwhile OKC would be worst off with harden at the helm vs. Westbrook.
The Dantoni offense can't simply be dismissed. It's a huge factor in hardens performance.
Kawhi also isn't a good enough scorer(explosive scoring, not consistent) to be seen as superior to either of the two guards. But he is a better defender and tougher competitor then Durant. And somehow seems to be able to play LeBron and his teams really well, while LeBron usually owns KD.
Westbrook
Harden
Kawhi
Durant
Westbrook would have the rockets as the second best team in West with their athleticism and shooting. Meanwhile OKC would be worst off with harden at the helm vs. Westbrook.
The Dantoni offense can't simply be dismissed. It's a huge factor in hardens performance.
Kawhi also isn't a good enough scorer(explosive scoring, not consistent) to be seen as superior to either of the two guards. But he is a better defender and tougher competitor then Durant. And somehow seems to be able to play LeBron and his teams really well, while LeBron usually owns KD.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:30 am
Kawhi is the most overrated player in NBA for me.
Spurs without him:
2015-2016: 7-3
2016-2017: 4-0
Spurs opponents with Leonard: 108.0 ORTG
Spurs opponents without Leonard: 97.3 ORTG
Also Spurs are better with Kawhi off than on overall.
Kawhi is good, he is the perfect second option, but if you have him as a main guy you will never win a championship. He is blessed to have the GOAT coach. Spurs are good because Popovich.
Spurs without him:
2015-2016: 7-3
2016-2017: 4-0
Spurs opponents with Leonard: 108.0 ORTG
Spurs opponents without Leonard: 97.3 ORTG
Also Spurs are better with Kawhi off than on overall.
Kawhi is good, he is the perfect second option, but if you have him as a main guy you will never win a championship. He is blessed to have the GOAT coach. Spurs are good because Popovich.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:46 am
Not sure Lebron is the best player in the NBA anymore but I voted for Westbrook. Was close between Harden.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:53 am
RaptorsLife wrote:Kawhi Leonard. Give me a 2 way monster any day of the week
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:55 am
Hard time choosing between Harden and Westbrook. I love Hardens offensive abilities and I love Westbrook motor.
I know one thing, Durant is not 2 or 3.
I know one thing, Durant is not 2 or 3.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:03 am
mihail_petkov wrote:Kawhi is the most overrated player in NBA for me.
Spurs without him:
2015-2016: 7-3
2016-2017: 4-0
Spurs opponents with Leonard: 108.0 ORTG
Spurs opponents without Leonard: 97.3 ORTG
Also Spurs are better with Kawhi off than on overall.
Kawhi is good, he is the perfect second option, but if you have him as a main guy you will never win a championship. He is blessed to have the GOAT coach. Spurs are good because Popovich.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:06 am
My tiers for this season.
Tier 1. Westbrook and Harden. Putting up monster stats and winning more games than they should with weaker rosters without having to join 3 all NBA players. Their efficiency might not be at the top, but they carry a much bigger load and don't have the luxury Durant and Lebron get every night.
Tier 2. Lebron, Durant, Kawhi. Lebron is coming off a monster finals, but judging him for this season? He hasn't been the best. Durant is having a career year, but that was to be expected teaming up with the league MVP, and the team with the best spacing of all time. I would be surprised if his effiency wasn't throught the roof considering the attention teams have to pay on Klay, Curry, and Draymond.
Tier 1. Westbrook and Harden. Putting up monster stats and winning more games than they should with weaker rosters without having to join 3 all NBA players. Their efficiency might not be at the top, but they carry a much bigger load and don't have the luxury Durant and Lebron get every night.
Tier 2. Lebron, Durant, Kawhi. Lebron is coming off a monster finals, but judging him for this season? He hasn't been the best. Durant is having a career year, but that was to be expected teaming up with the league MVP, and the team with the best spacing of all time. I would be surprised if his effiency wasn't throught the roof considering the attention teams have to pay on Klay, Curry, and Draymond.
Re: 2nd best player in the nba
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:16 am
I am lazy to check the numbers, so let's use these from the MVP thread showing the impact of a player on the court - viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1482190&start=1820#p51686023
laika wrote:-----------------On----Off----On/Off
Curry---------18.2--+0.6----17.6
big gap
Westbrook----5.5--11.2---16.7
James----------9.2---6.1----15.3
Durant-------16.4--+4.1----12.3
big gap
Harden--------8.2--+3.4-----4.8
Leonard-------8.9--+8.2-----0.7