Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts)
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:49 pm
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K_chile22 wrote:The_Hater wrote:K_chile22 wrote:That Brooklyn trade was a masterpiece, but everything since is kinda meh. No one knew It would be this so it's hard to give him too much credit there, and he seems too attached to his assets, as the rumor is the hang up between they and the Magic for Ibaka was Terry freaking Rozier
Everything else? Really?
Admittedly forgot about the Rondo haul
OptionZero wrote:Listen to Tim Bontemps on the TrueHoop pod from yesterday, he told the story ow how this trade developed, since he covered the situation.
That draft night, the trade agreed upon between BKN and BOS was Pierce for Humpries expiring and a pick. BKN then asked about Garnett, BOS in turn kept suggesting stuff to expand the deal. BKN's russian exec insisted on doing the deal immediately and agreed to everything BOS kept throwing into it, until . . . BKN killed themselves.
I guess Ainge deserves credit for completely mauling a defenseless, incompetent franchise
He also did great in the Rondo trade, DAL was moronic for doing that one.
His actual draft picks have been pretty stupid, since he keeps drafting small guards that aren't true point guards and can't shoot.
While the Isaiah trade was brilliant value, . . . he's gonna have a big decision coming up with the contracts of Bradley and Thomas
OptionZero wrote:His actual draft picks have been pretty stupid, since he keeps drafting small guards that aren't true point guards and can't shoot.
Knickstape1214 wrote:Boston34Bg wrote:Impressive that you put in the work. No idea what the point of this is? To evaluate Ainge?
He copy and pasted from basketball reference (http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/aingeda01x.html ).
Anyways, I think he's very good but not great. He put a hell of a number on the Nets, he put together the big 3, signed an awesome young coach, has a great PG (and depth in the backcourt), drafted well with high picks, and has kept contracts in check while signing guys to good deals. Only reason I wouldn't say he's great is he appears to overvalue his assets at times and isn't great drafting outside high picks (lately, at least).
Anyways, I like him a lot and because I know why OP brought this up, I'm going to say that Ainge's track record is miles better than Phillip's currently is and Ainge never gave a player the luxury of having the worst contract in basketball (or tied for worst).
vxmike wrote:He's living off the BKN, Rondo and IT trades. I think the Horford signing and stubbornness to trade the Jaylen Brown pick and the '17 and '18 picks will ruin an amazing opportunity.
Boston needs a star. They had three BKN picks, tons of cap room and solid young talent on good contracts. Now the J Brown pick has much less value, Horford (not a star) took much of their cap flexibility and Crowder/Bradley/IT are one year closer to getting PAID.
Turner4MVP wrote:His drafting is atrocious but he is great at trades.
Year Round Pick Name
2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart
2014 1 17 James Young
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger
2012 1 22 Fab Melo
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens
2007 1 5 Jeff Green
2006 1 7 Randy Foye
2005 1 18 Gerald Green
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson
2004 1 24 Delonte West
2004 1 25 Tony Allen
2003 1 16 Troy Bell
2003 1 20 Dahntay Jones
2016 2 31 Deyonta Davis
2016 2 35 Rade Zagorac
2016 2 45 Demetrius Jackson
2016 2 51 Ben Bentil
2016 2 58 Abdel Nader
2015 2 33 Jordan Mickey
2015 2 45 Marcus Thornton
2012 2 51 Kris Joseph
2011 2 55 E'Twaun Moore
2010 2 52 Luke Harangody
2009 2 58 Lester Hudson
2008 2 60 Semih Erden
2007 2 32 Gabe Pruitt
2005 2 50 Ryan Gomes
2005 2 53 Orien Greene
2004 2 40 Justin Reed
Didn't find anybody in the second round and hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley.
DarkAzcura wrote:EDIT: His drafting led directly to having the assets to trade for Garnett and still have players (all drafted) like Rondo, Tony Allen, and Perkins left over to fill the championship roster.
About half the current rotation is made up of Celtic drafted players, and they have the 5th best record in the league.
I have no idea where these crazy hot takes of Ainge being a poor drafter started, but it's one of the most bizarre things I have noticed over the last few years.
He isn't perfect, but if you list the drafting record of every team over the last 10 years, it will likely also look pretty junky.vxmike wrote:He's living off the BKN, Rondo and IT trades. I think the Horford signing and stubbornness to trade the Jaylen Brown pick and the '17 and '18 picks will ruin an amazing opportunity.
Boston needs a star. They had three BKN picks, tons of cap room and solid young talent on good contracts. Now the J Brown pick has much less value, Horford (not a star) took much of their cap flexibility and Crowder/Bradley/IT are one year closer to getting PAID.
So he is living off making great moves as a GM.
Wow, you have me really thinking here.
vxmike wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:EDIT: His drafting led directly to having the assets to trade for Garnett and still have players (all drafted) like Rondo, Tony Allen, and Perkins left over to fill the championship roster.
About half the current rotation is made up of Celtic drafted players, and they have the 5th best record in the league.
I have no idea where these crazy hot takes of Ainge being a poor drafter started, but it's one of the most bizarre things I have noticed over the last few years.
He isn't perfect, but if you list the drafting record of every team over the last 10 years, it will likely also look pretty junky.vxmike wrote:He's living off the BKN, Rondo and IT trades. I think the Horford signing and stubbornness to trade the Jaylen Brown pick and the '17 and '18 picks will ruin an amazing opportunity.
Boston needs a star. They had three BKN picks, tons of cap room and solid young talent on good contracts. Now the J Brown pick has much less value, Horford (not a star) took much of their cap flexibility and Crowder/Bradley/IT are one year closer to getting PAID.
So he is living off making great moves as a GM.
Wow, you have me really thinking here.
I don't think he's a poor drafter, and I believe his overall situation pre draft in the summer of 2016 was incredible.
I just think the Horford signing and (alleged) over valuation of the three BKN picks were awful.
DarkAzcura wrote:vxmike wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:EDIT: His drafting led directly to having the assets to trade for Garnett and still have players (all drafted) like Rondo, Tony Allen, and Perkins left over to fill the championship roster.
About half the current rotation is made up of Celtic drafted players, and they have the 5th best record in the league.
I have no idea where these crazy hot takes of Ainge being a poor drafter started, but it's one of the most bizarre things I have noticed over the last few years.
He isn't perfect, but if you list the drafting record of every team over the last 10 years, it will likely also look pretty junky.
So he is living off making great moves as a GM.
Wow, you have me really thinking here.
I don't think he's a poor drafter, and I believe his overall situation pre draft in the summer of 2016 was incredible.
I just think the Horford signing and (alleged) over valuation of the three BKN picks were awful.
Fair enough. I have a different opinion about the BKN picks and their handling, but I can understand your point.
I'm completely OK with Ainge hanging on to the picks and drafting with them. No one on the trade market has been worth them yet, IMO.
Crossy2008 wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:vxmike wrote:
I don't think he's a poor drafter, and I believe his overall situation pre draft in the summer of 2016 was incredible.
I just think the Horford signing and (alleged) over valuation of the three BKN picks were awful.
Fair enough. I have a different opinion about the BKN picks and their handling, but I can understand your point.
I'm completely OK with Ainge hanging on to the picks and drafting with them. No one on the trade market has been worth them yet, IMO.
Also, saying Boston doesn't have a star when they have the second leading scorer in the league is hard to understand. I've done a pretty good amount of research on Ainge's drafting history, and he has been very successful. Red Auerbach is one of the best drafters of all-time, and if you look at his history, he picked a lot of nobodies. In fact, you can take any GM in the history of the NBA and look at there draft history and find a ton of flaws. Ainge hasn't had the luxury that a lot of other teams have had by picking high in the draft. He's only had a few picks that were in the lottery while he's been with the Celtics. Still, if you reorder the drafts, his picks jump up the board more often than not.
myronbolitar wrote:lol @ anyone who thinks the Horford signing was bad. Other teams were ready to max him out. He's putting up 15/7/5 with 2 blocks per game, has provided excellent leadership in the lockerroom, made the Celtics players for Durant, and ended the myth that star free agents won't sign in Boston. And, oh yeah, despite injuries to all their best players, they're second in the East right now.
vxmike wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:EDIT: His drafting led directly to having the assets to trade for Garnett and still have players (all drafted) like Rondo, Tony Allen, and Perkins left over to fill the championship roster.
About half the current rotation is made up of Celtic drafted players, and they have the 5th best record in the league.
I have no idea where these crazy hot takes of Ainge being a poor drafter started, but it's one of the most bizarre things I have noticed over the last few years.
He isn't perfect, but if you list the drafting record of every team over the last 10 years, it will likely also look pretty junky.vxmike wrote:He's living off the BKN, Rondo and IT trades. I think the Horford signing and stubbornness to trade the Jaylen Brown pick and the '17 and '18 picks will ruin an amazing opportunity.
Boston needs a star. They had three BKN picks, tons of cap room and solid young talent on good contracts. Now the J Brown pick has much less value, Horford (not a star) took much of their cap flexibility and Crowder/Bradley/IT are one year closer to getting PAID.
So he is living off making great moves as a GM.
Wow, you have me really thinking here.
I don't think he's a poor drafter, and I believe his overall situation pre draft in the summer of 2016 was incredible.
I just think the Horford signing and (alleged) over valuation of the three BKN picks were awful.
vxmike wrote:myronbolitar wrote:lol @ anyone who thinks the Horford signing was bad. Other teams were ready to max him out. He's putting up 15/7/5 with 2 blocks per game, has provided excellent leadership in the lockerroom, made the Celtics players for Durant, and ended the myth that star free agents won't sign in Boston. And, oh yeah, despite injuries to all their best players, they're second in the East right now.
Horford isn't a difference maker in the playoffs. Signing him for huge money into his mid 30s was a bad idea. For $25M he doesn't move the needle like he should.
There were better signings out there or they could have sat on that cap room. They should have pursued either Cousins or Butler with the BKN picks and that could have persuaded another star in FA last summer or this coming one.
Signing stars in FA is much less likely with the new CBA, unfortunately. By the time those BKN picks develop Horford will be old and BOS will be fighting cap hell with new deals for Crowder/Thomas/Bradley.