Re: Kyrie needs to be in the top 5 player discussion...'17 Finals Game 4: 40 points, 55% FG
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:25 pm
First of all, the OP's agenda is laughably transparent.
Secondly, people rightly criticize Kyrie because although he is an all time type of offensive savant at times, he does not consistently help his team score more points than his opponents which is the goal of basketball--out scoring the opponent. There are lots of reasons for this.
His defense is atrocious, especially team defense.
When he's not scoring, he's a negative onncourt because he cannot defend, does not rebound, does not make plays.
In the three years since LeBron came back, Kyrie has played 1,234 minutes and 2,427 possessions with James off the court in the regular and postseason.
Cavs have an ORATING of 107.2 and a DRATING of 111.3 This means that when Kyrie is on and LeBron is off the court, the Cavs are being outscored by 4.1 points every 100 possessions. That's basically what a top 6 lottery team would produce.
Meanwhile, LeBron has played 2,611 minutes and 5,060 possessions with Kyrie off the court in the regular and postseason.
Cavs have an ORATING of 113.9 and a DRATING of 103.2 This means that when LeBron is on and Kyrie is off the court, the Cavs outscore opponents by 10.7 points every 100 possessions. That's basically what a top 6 team of ALL TIME would produce.
Same teammates, same everything, but Kyrie can't lead his team to score more points than his opponents because he is limited as a player and even his incredible offensive talent is inconsistent.
As for comparing him to Paul or Curry, it's really not even close to being close. Curry outsocres the opposition even when Durant and Green and Klay are off the court. Paul outscores opponents when Griffin and Jordan are off the court. Kyrie does not and never has and I'm not sure he ever will.
IF he consistently does, then he gets in that top whatever conversation. Until then, he's not there.
Secondly, people rightly criticize Kyrie because although he is an all time type of offensive savant at times, he does not consistently help his team score more points than his opponents which is the goal of basketball--out scoring the opponent. There are lots of reasons for this.
His defense is atrocious, especially team defense.
When he's not scoring, he's a negative onncourt because he cannot defend, does not rebound, does not make plays.
In the three years since LeBron came back, Kyrie has played 1,234 minutes and 2,427 possessions with James off the court in the regular and postseason.
Cavs have an ORATING of 107.2 and a DRATING of 111.3 This means that when Kyrie is on and LeBron is off the court, the Cavs are being outscored by 4.1 points every 100 possessions. That's basically what a top 6 lottery team would produce.
Meanwhile, LeBron has played 2,611 minutes and 5,060 possessions with Kyrie off the court in the regular and postseason.
Cavs have an ORATING of 113.9 and a DRATING of 103.2 This means that when LeBron is on and Kyrie is off the court, the Cavs outscore opponents by 10.7 points every 100 possessions. That's basically what a top 6 team of ALL TIME would produce.
Same teammates, same everything, but Kyrie can't lead his team to score more points than his opponents because he is limited as a player and even his incredible offensive talent is inconsistent.
As for comparing him to Paul or Curry, it's really not even close to being close. Curry outsocres the opposition even when Durant and Green and Klay are off the court. Paul outscores opponents when Griffin and Jordan are off the court. Kyrie does not and never has and I'm not sure he ever will.
IF he consistently does, then he gets in that top whatever conversation. Until then, he's not there.