Shams: Utah and Minnesota working on deal for Rubio

Post #1 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:44 pm

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bmurph128 · Post #2 » by **bmurph128** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:46 pm

Less scoring - just what the Jazz need

Chinook · Post #3 » by **Chinook** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:48 pm

Really hoping Utah re-signs Hill.

elBJ · Post #4 » by **elBJ** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:51 pm

I think he's an upgrade over G.Hill, but if Hayward leaves it's all in shambles.

dautjazz · Post #5 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:51 pm

Rafael122 wrote:

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It's been reported several times, Utah has some deadline today to use 16M in capspace, so I'm expecting some deal for them today. I definitely wouldn't mind Rubio, he gives us the PG for our future as long as he can stay healthy, as he provides defense and great playmaking. His shooting is not much of a concern to me as he is very low volume anyways. It did seem though this year that he was improving his shooting a little too, and he's still young. I think Rubio is a better deal, and he's younger. If it leaves capspace to resign Ingles and we can keep Hayward, I'm psyched.

Gobert
Favors
Hayward
Ingles
Rubio

Not bad, plus we can have some great defensive reserves too. I wonder who we would be trading to Minnesota though.

Post #6 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:53 pm

So wait, are the Jazz absorbing Rubio into their cap space or are they sending someone out? Minnesota needs shooters so Burks makes sense.

Post #7 » by **MadNESS** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:53 pm

I think Thibs is going after Lowry

dautjazz · Post #8 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:55 pm

elBJ wrote:I think he's an upgrade over G.Hill, but if Hayward leaves it's all in shambles.

Playmaking he is, but scoring Hill is way better. I'm not sure who's a better defender, I know that Rubio gets more steals, but Hill is a solid defender as well. Still Hill may get something like a 20M/year deal while Rubio is $14.5M and $14.8M the next two years.

dautjazz · Post #9 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:56 pm

Rafael122 wrote:So wait, are the Jazz absorbing Rubio into their cap space or are they sending someone out? Minnesota needs shooters so Burks makes sense.

Honestly as much as I like Burks, I don't think I mind losing him too much with Hood, Ingles, Mitchell (our rookie), and Exum. So we have lots of depth at SG, and unfortunately he's constantly hurt.

NBAfan3024 · Post #10 » by **NBAfan3024** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:57 pm

MadNESS wrote:I think Thibs is going after Lowry

seems like it

BadWolf · Post #11 » by **BadWolf** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:57 pm

What would be Minnesotas goal here? Future pick?

Birdie · Post #12 » by **Birdie** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:57 pm

dautjazz wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:

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It's been reported several times, Utah has some deadline today to use 16M in capspace, so I'm expecting some deal for them today. I definitely wouldn't mind Rubio, he gives us the PG for our future as long as he can stay healthy, as he provides defense and great playmaking. His shooting is not much of a concern to me as he is very low volume anyways. It did seem though this year that he was improving his shooting a little too, and he's still young. I think Rubio is a better deal, and he's younger. If it leaves capspace to resign Ingles and we can keep Hayward, I'm psyched.

Gobert
Favors
Hayward
Ingles
Rubio

Not bad, plus we can have some great defensive reserves too. I wonder who we would be trading to Minnesota though.

Could just be insurance if George Hill talks break down? Just absorb Rubio into cap space or send out Diaw for Rubio in unbalanced $$$, Wolves waived Diaw's money.

But Diaw + UTA 2018 1st and OKC 2018 1st, I'm sure MIN would be down, and it opens up cap space for them to go overpay Lowry or Milsap?

I think getting Rubio, necessarily wouldn't mean they wouldn't pay George Hill to return if the price was right. No doubt, UTA could get very expensive if they re-sign Hayward and bring back Hill/Ingles as well but I would think, Ingles goes if they pay Hill, 3-4 yr 45mil-75mil type deal?

And if Hayward leaves regardless if you tell him, well, we're gonna re-sign Hill at X # but only if you decide to come back, if you're leaving, then we're not gonna re-sign him and roll with Rubio as our starting PG. Could be worth the gamble in hedging their bets for next year.

Jcool0 · Post #13 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:59 pm

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dautjazz · Post #14 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:59 pm

BadWolf wrote:What would be Minnesotas goal here? Future pick?

Our picks aren't even good. We are a top 4 team out West for the forseeable future, it's GS, SA, HOU, and UT, then the rest.

miamiheat319 · Post #15 » by **miamiheat319** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:00 pm

Wtf! Rubio is the ideal fit for the Wolves. I just don't understand why they're so eager to move him. They're gonna end up targeting Lowry or Hill or somebody and they'll sign somewhere else, leaving the Wolves with Tyus as their only guard. It's ridiculous. Rubio is the pass-first point guard they need in a system with three primary scorers.

PurpleGreenGold · Post #16 » by **PurpleGreenGold** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:03 pm

Yeah, the Jazz are in a pickle with this one. It most likely means that Hill won't be back. We all know that Hayward wants the Jazz to sign Hill, but it they do, they may not have the $$$ to pay Ingles, who is Hayward's best friend on the Jazz, and an amazing glue guy for the team.

If the Jazz do end up signing Hill for pretty big $$$, and then Hayward chooses Boston, the Jazz front office would be so pissed!!! They likely go in another direction, without Hill, if Hayward leaves.

Glad I'm not the GM.

theGreatRC · Post #17 » by **theGreatRC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:03 pm

MotownMadness · Post #18 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:04 pm

miamiheat319 wrote:Wtf! Rubio is the ideal fit for the Wolves. I just don't understand why they're so eager to move him. They're gonna end up targeting Lowry or Hill or somebody and they'll sign somewhere else, leaving the Wolves with Tyus as their only guard. It's ridiculous. Rubio is the pass-first point guard they need in a system with three primary scorers.

Shooting is what everyone wants now or at least some sort of two way players.

Post #19 » by **Prez** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:04 pm

dautjazz wrote:
BadWolf wrote:What would be Minnesotas goal here? Future pick?

Our picks aren't even good. We are a top 4 team out West for the forseeable future, it's GS, SA, HOU, and UT, then the rest.

Are you that sure about Hayward?

MotownMadness wrote: Shooting is what everyone wants now or at least some sort of two way players.

Rubio is a two-way player though.

miamiheat319 · Post #20 » by **miamiheat319** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:05 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
miamiheat319 wrote:Wtf! Rubio is the ideal fit for the Wolves. I just don't understand why they're so eager to move him. They're gonna end up targeting Lowry or Hill or somebody and they'll sign somewhere else, leaving the Wolves with Tyus as their only guard. It's ridiculous. Rubio is the pass-first point guard they need in a system with three primary scorers.

Shooting is what everyone wants now or at least some sort of two way players.

They don't need more shooting atm. Rubio is the perfect fit for that team. He can distribute the ball so well to those three guys (Towns, Wiggins, Butler). They don't need a scoring point guard.