How do you build around KAT/Embiid/Porzingis type bigs?

[giordunk]

Ideal sidekicks? What kind of frontcourt help do they need?

I do think they benefit from playing alongside a guy like Tristan Thompson whether as a backup or as a sidekick - Someone who can play physical and also defend those pick and rolls to help them save energy.

I don't know if I agree with the Pelicans route of sticking Anthony Davis with DeMarcus Cousins.

A savvy point guard or a playmaker is going to be super important - someone who can understand and utilize a big man's skillset. Think about how Chris Paul maximized David West's career.

[RCM88x]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

[mattao313]

Get a good point guard who can run the pick and roll.

[Johnny Bball]

You don't. At least not Porzingis. Maybe Embiid becomes that good, but I think they would be better paired with a guard that's the star. Its a guard league.

[DaGawd]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

[HeartBreakKid]

Get other good players

[RCM88x]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

I don't think he's good enough defensively to be a title winning PF/C in this league. So in that sense yes.

He's certainly not on the level of a Draymond, Gobert, DAJ, AD, Millsap. Which is pretty much what you need from an interior defender to win a championship in this league.

[Statlanta]

Move them to the 5 so they are doing the 2K Isomotion on bigs reluctant to come outside(Dwight Howard) or are just too slow(Pau Gasol) instead athletic PF thoroughbreds like Draymond Green and Anthony Davis

[Pharaoh]

You need a perimeter stud in today's league so all 3 need one.

KAT having Butler will be interesting...

Joel with Fultz & Simmons might be crazy good eventually

Zingis? They gotta get him some help

[PhilBlackson]

Healthy Embiid is a true generational player imo, so the choice is easily him..flame away. I really believe if he were healthy he would be working towards being an all-time big man. The league really needs a big personality (n person) like him for when LBJ is gone n Steph & KD start fading. Embiid's per 40 numbers are like a Shaq stat line except he's nailing 3s and has the most ridiculous effect on a defense I've seen in a long time (Sixers something like 25th when he's off the court....to #1, that's insane).

The answer is from PHI #theprocess

[3toheadmelo]

You need a perimeter stud in today's league so all 3 need one.

KAT having Butler will be interesting...

Joel with Fultz & Simmons might be crazy good eventually

Zingis? They gotta get him some help

how do u feel about frank ntilikina?

[LordCovington33]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

[Prez]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

You mean KAT? He's talking about Porzingis, who rates well by most impact metrics.

[RCM88x]

To me, Embiid is a different player than both Porz and KAT because hes already elite defensively, where both the other two are either bad or horrendous on that end.

An athletic, defense first PF is probably the optimal partner for both KAT and Porz, someone with a lot of length that can help cover the interior while also making up for both these guys slow feet on the PnR. Maybe a guy Draymond or AK47 would be idea.

As for Embiid, you probably want someone who's a bit more of a floor spacer and scorer at the PF position. Defense isn't as much of an issue because he already gives you that. Perhaps a Kevin Love or even Channing Frye would be a good fit.

TT is an interesting guy to bring up, but I do think he's better as an off the bench guy who doesn't have to set the tone defensively early in the game. Instead he can come in late and be more willing to switch on the perimeter and grab key rebounds in the 2nd half. He'd definitely be a good player next to all these guys, because you don't have to worry about spacing as all 3 are very good 3pt shooters. However I don't know if its the optimal fit from a play style wise.

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

He said Porzingis not KAT bro.

[LordCovington33]

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

You mean KAT? He's talking about Porzingis, who rates well by most impact metrics.

I swear I saw KAT. lol It is time for me to have an afternoon nap.

[76ciology]

Ideally they should play like LeBron, Draymond or KD, then stop trying to be like Hakeem or KG.

Nowadays, if you're intention is to win a championship, the ideal player to build around are wings. So you have to go towards that if you have a non-wing type franchise player.

[RCM88x]

Porzingis is bad on D? That is news to me

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

You mean KAT? He's talking about Porzingis, who rates well by most impact metrics.

He rates alright, but I don't think you can win a title with him as your defensive anchor, hence why you need one to play in front of him at PF or behind him at C.

To me, any big man who isn't an good or very good defender might as well just be considered bad because they're never going to anchor your defense, which is the most important part of those positions in my opinion.

Obviously there are exceptions if you prove to have elite offensive impact, but outside of KAT none of them have shown that, though all are young and can still definitely improve on that end.

Even Dirk needed a DPOY caliber C playing behind him to win a title, who is probably the guy most equivalent to Porzingis and even KAT.

[stilldropin20]

"gettable" ideal sidekicks are:

CJ mccollum
zach lavine
crowder
james johnson
dray green
morris twins
avery bradley

[Prez]

He has the worst DRPM for centers, but the third best ORPM.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

You mean KAT? He's talking about Porzingis, who rates well by most impact metrics.

He rates alright, but I don't think you can win a title with him as your defensive anchor, hence why you need one to play in front of him at PF or behind him at C.

To me, any big man who isn't an good or very good defender might as well just be considered bad because they're never going to anchor your defense, which is the most important part of those positions in my opinion.

Obviously there are exceptions if you prove to have elite offensive impact, but outside of KAT none of them have shown that, though all are young and can still definitely improve on that end.

Even Dirk needed a DPOY caliber C playing behind him to win a title, who is probably the guy most equivalent to Porzingis and even KAT.

I think you're vastly underestimating Porzingis' defensive upside. The guy was already a net positive defender as a skinny 20-21 year twig. He's going to get stronger naturally as he fills out, and when he does he's going to be a pretty damn good defender.

[Kurosawa0]

You want a good pick and roll point guard and then a bunch of shooting. I think you honestly want to be able to play five out, but not really give up size.

Think of something like this:

Damian Lillard
Kris Middleton
Trevor Ariza
Paul Milsap
Karl Anthony-Towns

That lineup would be murder. You want shooters and multiple ball handlers. Imagine the 2009 Magic, but where Dwight could also pop for threes.

Which actually tells you none of the teams are probably building the right way to take advantage of these players talents.