How does Ryan McDonough still have a job?

WestGOAT · Post #1 » by **WestGOAT** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:40 pm

From a PG logjam (Bledsoe, IT, Dragic) to a big men logjam (Bender, Len, Chandler, Monroe).

Why?!

Mister Ze · Post #2 » by **Mister Ze** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:43 pm

They should have unloaded Chandler in any deal for Bledsoe, I'm sure someone would have bit eventually.

nuposse04 · Post #3 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:45 pm

I ask the same question regarding Ernie Grunfeld.

Look to the POS owners in both cases.

OakleyDokely · Post #4 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:48 pm

Monroe is an expiring contract. I wouldn't count him as part of their core.

They basically traded Bledsoe for a late 1st and cap relief.

LakerLegend · Post #5 » by **LakerLegend** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:06 pm

Because he’s cheap and the suns owner is cheap.

clyde21 · Post #6 » by **clyde21** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:16 pm

Master Ze wrote:They should have unloaded Chandler in any deal for Bledsoe, I'm sure someone would have bit eventually.

That's a tough one. What team can take on 27.5mil in salary in a trade without having to shoot it right back at the Suns?

RCM88x · Post #7 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:27 pm

Because finding someone better is hard. You could say this about 60% of NBA GMs.

Dominator83 · Post #8 » by **Dominator83** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:37 pm

He basically could've had Kyrie Irving for Josh Jackson when you consider he just gave away Bledsoe. I'm sorry but Josh Johnson is not that damn good. Not to mention they already have TJ Warren who plays the same position. In this league, you never turn down an opportunity to get a bona-fide superstar that's still young for someone that may or may not be good someday

King4Day · Post #9 » by **King4Day** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:48 pm

Lakerfan17 wrote:Because he’s cheap and the suns owner is cheap.

How is a GM cheap?
The owner, sure but this doesn't make sense.

RGM_SU · Post #10 » by **RGM_SU** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:50 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
Lakerfan17 wrote:Because he’s cheap and the suns owner is cheap.

How is a GM cheap?
The owner, sure but this doesn't make sense.

Probably meant in a way that he doesn't earn a lot of salary. :wink:

LakerLegend · Post #11 » by **LakerLegend** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:50 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
Lakerfan17 wrote:Because he’s cheap and the suns owner is cheap.

How is a GM cheap?
The owner, sure but this doesn't make sense.

Meaning he comes cheap ie he isn't paid a lot.

Kurosawa0 · Post #12 » by **Kurosawa0** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:51 pm

McDonough hasn't done a great job, but that franchise's problems are all about ownership. Doesn't matter who the GM is. As long as Sarver owns that team they're not going anywhere.

King4Day · Post #13 » by **King4Day** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:52 pm

Dominater wrote:He basically could've had Kyrie Irving for Josh Jackson when you consider he just gave away Bledsoe. I'm sorry but Josh Johnson is not that damn good. Not to mention they already have TJ Warren who plays the same position. In this league, you never turn down an opportunity to get a bona-fide superstar that's still young for someone that may or may not be good someday

If the Suns acquired Irving, what other talent on the roster would they have had to help compete for a ring?
2 year rental of Irving wasn't worth cancelling the rebuild during the Warriors juggernaut run.

Irving, Booker, and Warren aren't good defenders. Jackson can defend and the team needs that to help balance the roster.

Jackson has played 11 career NBA games. You're saying he isn't good already?

King4Day · Post #14 » by **King4Day** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:57 pm

McD isn't terrible but as some have stated, he's running under an owner with a bad reputation.
He was just extended an additional year. Chances are he'll be allowed to do the 2018 draft and free agency. If the team doesn't show signs of improvement next year, he'll go and the team will get turned over.

If the behind the scenes chatter is true, Rich Paul is a big part to blame why things fell apart with Bledsoe.
With Isaiah Thomas, he was signed, knowing he'll be a bench guy. He then turned upset for some reason.
Dragic didn't like playing off the ball. He went public instead of giving the franchise the benefit of the doubt and ask out privately.

He's made plenty of mistakes but there are worse GM's out there.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #15 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 5:59 pm

McDonough doesn't know team construction or man management, he was a professional scout prior to GM.

Least he has advanced protection skills.

jfs1000d · Post #16 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 6:04 pm

They are tanking. The key is cutting salary. This saves about $40 mil for owner. You get a bonus in business world for doing that.

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Southpaw · Post #17 » by **Southpaw** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 6:07 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I ask the same question regarding Ernie Grunfeld.

Look to the POS owners in both cases.

You can add the Bulls to that.

Greed · Post #18 » by **Greed** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 6:14 pm

Bulls probably have the worst FO in the league today, yet some of the best job security. GarPax will never be fired

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #19 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 6:19 pm

Master Ze wrote:They should have unloaded Chandler in any deal for Bledsoe, I'm sure someone would have bit eventually.

Much easier said than done, unless they were willing to take on bad contracts in return. That's a lottttt of money outgoing. :-?

The thing with Chandler is that he never should have been signed in the first place. I was yelling from my mountain, on realgm, that it was a terrible idea. Unfortunately, that was before I was connected to people and before I started using my current site to yell. :lol:

Post #20 » by **Slava** » Tue Nov 7, 2017 7:40 pm

Dominater wrote:He basically could've had Kyrie Irving for Josh Jackson when you consider he just gave away Bledsoe. I'm sorry but Josh Johnson is not that damn good. Not to mention they already have TJ Warren who plays the same position. In this league, you never turn down an opportunity to get a bona-fide superstar that's still young for someone that may or may not be good someday

GMs get more job security treading water on potential and selling future improvement to fans. You can't quantify it. Only show good faith.

As soon as they make a big trade they will be judged on something more quantifiable like wins and losses. No one wants that kind of pressure unless the owners demand it.

The Suns GM is a weasel.