Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form

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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#321 » by ISayshowmee » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Hindenburg wrote:He's a good passer and defender but his lack of shooting and inability to finish inside make him very predictable. Once he gets the ball, he just chucks it away to his teammate like a hot potato. He overpasses too much. He needs to really put some work in this summer.


Please watch him play......
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#322 » by infintybeyond » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:42 pm

ISayshowmee wrote:
Hindenburg wrote:He's a good passer and defender but his lack of shooting and inability to finish inside make him very predictable. Once he gets the ball, he just chucks it away to his teammate like a hot potato. He overpasses too much. He needs to really put some work in this summer.


Please watch him play......

Nothing he said was wrong tho. Defenders go under the screens, and Lonzo can't punish them. Teams are playing him to pass because of his poor finishing around the rim and poor free throw shooting and overall lack of scoring competence. By over passing, we've seen Lonzo pass up plenty of wide open shots because of his poor shooting.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#323 » by spikeslovechild » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:26 pm

infintybeyond wrote:
ISayshowmee wrote:
Hindenburg wrote:He's a good passer and defender but his lack of shooting and inability to finish inside make him very predictable. Once he gets the ball, he just chucks it away to his teammate like a hot potato. He overpasses too much. He needs to really put some work in this summer.


Please watch him play......

Nothing he said was wrong tho. Defenders go under the screens, and Lonzo can't punish them. Teams are playing him to pass because of his poor finishing around the rim and poor free throw shooting and overall lack of scoring competence. By over passing, we've seen Lonzo pass up plenty of wide open shots because of his poor shooting.


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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#324 » by Revived » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:59 pm

Alfred wrote:It's hard to have a lead guard that is a poor shooter. When the defending guard can go under the screen, it kind of ruins the pick and roll for the offensive team -- players no longer have to help off of shooters to help stop the penetration, so you no longer get open shots.

Eh, guys like Westbrook, prime Rondo, prime Wade and even DeRozan before this season utilized the pick & roll heavily without it being much of an issue that they couldn’t shoot 3s effectively.

Key is to adjust which is what those guys did and what Lonzo will have to do.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#325 » by KHRICH » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:05 pm

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Alfred wrote:It's hard to have a lead guard that is a poor shooter. When the defending guard can go under the screen, it kind of ruins the pick and roll for the offensive team -- players no longer have to help off of shooters to help stop the penetration, so you no longer get open shots.

Eh, guys like Westbrook, prime Rondo, prime Wade and even DeRozan before this season utilized the pick & roll heavily without it being much of an issue that they couldn’t shoot 3s effectively.

Key is to adjust which is what those guys did and what Lonzo will have to do.

Difference with those players is they are ALOT more athletic minus Rondo his passing is next level also played with 3 HOF players.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#326 » by WalterBenjamin » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:08 pm

KHRICH wrote:Difference with those players is they are ALOT more athletic minus Rondo his passing is next level also played with 3 HOF players.

Oh but Lonzo is a generational passing PG :lol:
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#327 » by KHRICH » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:14 pm

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KHRICH wrote:Difference with those players is they are ALOT more athletic minus Rondo his passing is next level also played with 3 HOF players.

Oh but Lonzo is a generational passing PG :lol:

lol his passing will never be like Rondo.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#328 » by Jkam31 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:05 pm

His home games are hilarious when he launches from 3 the crowd stands up like it’s going in every time. Like are y’all that dumb **** bouncing off the rim


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Post#329 » by WalterBenjamin » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:13 pm

KHRICH wrote:lol his passing will never be like Rondo.

I know. The big problem with Lonzo scouting was not reckognizing that he was an exeptionaly willing passer. Not a great natural passer as such. Big difference. But that is why if he can reconstruct his shooting he will be a very good player. Very smart.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#330 » by anish23 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:29 pm

ISayshowmee wrote:
Hindenburg wrote:He's a good passer and defender but his lack of shooting and inability to finish inside make him very predictable. Once he gets the ball, he just chucks it away to his teammate like a hot potato. He overpasses too much. He needs to really put some work in this summer.


Please watch him play......


I wonder if YOU have watched him play. Nothing he said is wrong, that's exactly what he does. In the last 1-2 months Lonzo has one GREAT game... that's just not good enough.

But anyways lets wait and see.. the thing is if the shot becomes consistent, which I know wont, he will be a solid PG...

if not.. he is out of the league in 2-3 years after they all understand the dude is trash.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#331 » by The_Hater » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:54 pm

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Obviously because it goes in. The first 20 games of the season has been the only time in his life he has shot below 40% from three. It’s pretty clear his shot never needed to be fixed.


I don’t think it’s all that clear. After 2 terrible months he shot slightly above average from 3 in December then was well below average again in January. His current hot streak is 4 games and still leaves him under 33% for the season which is not good plus he’s struggled making FT’s all season.

The thing with Ball isn’t if he can or can’t shoot with his current form, he was obviously has some shooting touch and made 3’s in college, but if he wouldn’t be even better if he changed to a more conventional delivery. I personally think he would.


He’s shooting 40% from 3 over his last 20+ games. Free throws need work, but he’s only shot just over 50 this year. Not much to go off of as he is shooting less than 2 per game.


He’s 11-65 since you lectured me on what a great 3 point shooter he had become, even though it was just a 6 game hot streak which you tried to tie to his previous 14 mediocre shooting games and tell us is was 20 games . Just sayin’.

Ball has a lot of potential but he needs to fix his shooting form this summer to help maximize it.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#332 » by jmnvcavs » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:36 am

Whose a better shooter Fultz or Ball?
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#333 » by WalterBenjamin » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:42 am

Fultz not close.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#334 » by Joseph17 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:40 am

He just has to follow through and keep his elbow more locked in. Kevin Martin used to have the same problem as him before Pete Carril modified his form in Sacramento. If Pete is in good health he should definitely work with Lonzo. If not, Lonzo should definitely hire Martin to help him with his shooting.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#335 » by NY 567 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:22 am

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:His shooting form is obviously bad but he is averaging 10-7-7. Ball is going to be a stud.


You'd think 10/7 in almost 36 minutes a night was the holy grail or something lmao. 10/7 on horrific percentages ain't ****. And no, the rebounds don't mean much, especially playing next to Brook Lopez.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#336 » by NPZ » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:23 am

He's looking frantic again to me. He was that way at the start of the season, when he shot 27x in his 2nd game and kept pumping up bad shots in the hopes that some god above will put them in. He needs to slow down and calm down, which he did during his good stretch. Shaq would vacillate between 55% and 39% from the line when he became self-conscious about his free throwing due to criticism. I think Zo is locked into a mental state that has him shooting three after three after three because he's got the yips. Derek Fisher said in the Pels postgame that he shouldn't be shooting treys if he's already 1/7. He should at least TRY to mix it up to get into a groove. Few minutes later, Coach Puke is trying to convince us that he LIKES Zo shooting 1/12 from the arc. Utter nonsense that shows the FO's fear in telling Zo "Boo!" Yeah, we want Zo to be humiliated out there and to miss critical shots night after night. It was ironic that Rondo hit a 3 to put them ahead in the final seconds.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#337 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:08 pm

KHRICH wrote:
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Alfred wrote:It's hard to have a lead guard that is a poor shooter. When the defending guard can go under the screen, it kind of ruins the pick and roll for the offensive team -- players no longer have to help off of shooters to help stop the penetration, so you no longer get open shots.

Eh, guys like Westbrook, prime Rondo, prime Wade and even DeRozan before this season utilized the pick & roll heavily without it being much of an issue that they couldn’t shoot 3s effectively.

Key is to adjust which is what those guys did and what Lonzo will have to do.

Difference with those players is they are ALOT more athletic minus Rondo his passing is next level also played with 3 HOF players.


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Difference is prime Rondo was lighting quick and could beat anyone off the dribble he didn't need a jumpshot. Lonzo does.

No idea where the idea that Rondo isn't quick came from the player he is now isn't the player he was then. Injuries and age have zapped him of some things.

NPZ wrote:He's looking frantic again to me. He was that way at the start of the season, when he shot 27x in his 2nd game and kept pumping up bad shots in the hopes that some god above will put them in. He needs to slow down and calm down, which he did during his good stretch. Shaq would vacillate between 55% and 39% from the line when he became self-conscious about his free throwing due to criticism. I think Zo is locked into a mental state that has him shooting three after three after three because he's got the yips. Derek Fisher said in the Pels postgame that he shouldn't be shooting treys if he's already 1/7. He should at least TRY to mix it up to get into a groove. Few minutes later, Coach Puke is trying to convince us that he LIKES Zo shooting 1/12 from the arc. Utter nonsense that shows the FO's fear in telling Zo "Boo!" Yeah, we want Zo to be humiliated out there and to miss critical shots night after night. It was ironic that Rondo hit a 3 to put them ahead in the final seconds.


It's a tough situation because teams have started to not even respect his shot. They are leaving him wide open most nights he could sit there and give an entire rendition of the spar-spangled banner before a defender came out to meet him.

As good as his passing is you can't play 4-5 in the NBA. Which is why you are seeing the turnovers wildly spike and also why you are seeing despite the amount of field goals assisted being much higher the Lakers are a much better offense with him off the court then on. This isn't my opinion lakers fans can goto nbawowry and see for themselves.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#338 » by urgal » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:26 pm

The thing besides his horrific form that'd scare me even more is that his poor shooting numbers actually come ON OPEN SHOTS.

Opponents aren't even contesting him much. I don't even wanna know what happens when they start game planning for him.

Pair that with the fact the he can only shoot off the dribble going to the left due to his weird form and his horrible ft shooting (which many people see as an indicator of shooting ability) it's not a good outlook.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#339 » by lamscott » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:25 pm

Unlike Brandon Ingram. His shots are "bricking". Hopefully he gets it together in the off-season. Which brings up another point about his lack of a mid-range game or floater. That needs to be developed as well.
Lonzo needs to also clean up his dribbling, he is favoring his right hand and not able to keep a dribble with pressure on him.

All the rest of the stuff from the haters is just noise. His speed is fine, his jumping ability is fine, his defense is good and can get better with more on the ball practice.

Something of note: The lack of Ingram, Hart, Jordan Clarkson, have really exposed Zo to having to carrying some of the offensive weight on his shoulders, which he can not at this time. Watching Isaiah Thomas at crunch time makes me cringe. But he is better than anyone on the roster right now because Brandon Ingram is injured and we lost Jordan Clarkson to a trade.
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Re: Lonzo Ball's Shooting Form 

Post#340 » by Plutonashfan » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:01 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
76ciology wrote:I dont think you can get a consistently good arch with his shot.


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I remember this one he actually airballed the shot before. Took everything for AC to stay professional and not burst out in laughter on air.
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