King of Empty stats

12footrim · Post #1 » by **12footrim** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:55 pm

I need some help, who are the all time kings of empty stat seasons?

Devin Booker last year for example was one of the more hollow stat lines I've seen. 22ppg and only a 14.9 PER /.53% true shooting both under league average.

Edit: Let me clarify. Guys that are getting all star appearances or averaging 20+ ppg but have like a PER of 15 or are shooting under .500 true shooting or whatever like Kobe was at the end. Basically anyone getting accolades or a #1 banana role that really can't credibly do it justice.

Post #2 » by **Goudelock** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:58 pm

Tread carefully, because this will get locked if it turns into a player-bashing thread.

76ciology · Post #3 » by **76ciology** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:59 pm

Ok. Lonzo Ball

Patches Perry · Post #4 » by **Patches Perry** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:00 pm

There is no such thing as "empty stats" - only context.

Grits n Gravy · Post #5 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:01 pm

76ciology wrote:Ok. Lonzo Ball

Smash3 · Post #6 » by **Smash3** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:02 pm

PockyCandy wrote:Tread carefully, because this will get locked if it turns into a player-bashing thread.

We can't bash players anymore? :-?

leolozon · Post #7 » by **leolozon** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:03 pm

I don't think empty stats exist, only "incomplete stats".

I think this term is incredibly misused, too often referring to a good player on a bad team, like Kevin Love when he was in Minnesota.

If the stats are that empty, it will show in some advanced stats, like in your Devin Booker exemple (-2.3 BPM, .531 TS%). You will be able to see that the player is scoring a lot, but inefficiently. Or rebounding a lot, but that he doesn't contest shots or doesn't grab a lot of contested rebounds. It will show somewhere.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #8 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:04 pm

I'm going for James Harden in 2015/16:
29.0/6.1/7.5 on .598 ts

Post #9 » by **Double Helix** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:05 pm

Empty stat guys to me are guys putting up huge numbers but their teams aren’t good.

Demarcus Cousins advanced stats and individual stats are generally strong enough that many see him as a top 10 talent but how many top 10 talents haven’t been able to lift their teams up and into even a low playoff seed? And he plays with Anthony Davis too. Of the superstar tier I think Cousins stats are a little inflated.

Not saying he’s not a top 20 talent but if you’re top 10 I expect you to lead your team into the playoffs.

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CarMalone · Post #10 » by **CarMalone** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:05 pm

Watch on YouTube

20.6 ppg on 18.6 shots/game, .485 %TS on a 17 win Cavs team.

Pinkyring · Post #11 » by **Pinkyring** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:06 pm

12footrim wrote:I need some help, who are the all time kings of empty stat seasons?

Devin Booker last year for example was one of the more hollow stat lines I've seen. 22ppg and only a 14.9 PER /.53% true shooting both under league average.

how, booker is a young improving player, 22ppg doesn't say all star, he is a good player, now if a guy was getting 30 a night and the team sucked that's different, I think the empty stats guys are the wiggins, barnes, of the world, guys who have played a few years or more and score but it doesn't translate to winning

Biff · Post #12 » by **Biff** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:09 pm

12footrim wrote:I need some help, who are the all time kings of empty stat seasons?

Devin Booker last year for example was one of the more hollow stat lines I've seen. 22ppg and only a 14.9 PER /.53% true shooting both under league average.

Yeah, a 20-year-old kid is the king of empty stats. :roll:

I think you need a little more time in the league to claim that crown.

dhsilv2 · Post #13 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:11 pm

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Stern · Post #14 » by **Stern** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:13 pm

Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He averaged like 20 a game, but never took a team anywhere. Don't remember any clutch winning plays.

Edit: dhsilv2 beat me by a minute..

ocelot17 · Post #15 » by **ocelot17** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:15 pm

I always thought Kevin Love put up empty stats back in his Minnesota days.

And I’m not just saying that because he didn’t win, I just don’t think he had any impact in the game.

He mostly scored off spot up 3s or offensive putbacks, had a decent post game but doesn’t have the lift to finish strong at the rim and would often get rejected.

You’d figure a guy averaging 26 ppg, 14 rpg, 4 apg would be dominant but he wasn’t. He just never took over games like most stars do

HeartBreakKid · Post #16 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:15 pm

Antawn Jamison

dc · Post #17 » by dc » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:17 pm

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Antawn Jamison
Ricky Davis
Andray Blatche
Glenn Robinson

Infinite Llamas · Post #18 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:20 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Mitch Richmond never had a player better than Abdul-Rauf or Brian Grant as a #2 option on those Kings teams. Richmond player hard for those teams but they were so poorly ran. Even got them into the playoffs one year. Not his fault he got traded to a sideshow.

AdagioPace · Post #19 » by **AdagioPace** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:21 pm

I see people mentioning guards and wings. Rightly so because they are more prone to chucking and inefficiency
What about an empy-stat big man? A big man inefficient volume scorer that can't defend nor contribute in any other meaningful way

Brook Lopez?

12footrim · Post #20 » by **12footrim** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:23 pm

Biff wrote:
12footrim wrote:I need some help, who are the all time kings of empty stat seasons?

Devin Booker last year for example was one of the more hollow stat lines I've seen. 22ppg and only a 14.9 PER /.53% true shooting both under league average.

Yeah, a 20-year-old kid is the king of empty stats.

I think you need a little more time in the league to claim that crown.

I said empty stat seasons and it certainly was. He had no business being the #1 option last year. Maybe it's not his fault but it is what it was. That's all that was said, nothing about his future or potential.