When the dust settled, Cleveland had gotten one of the worst returns for their star.

[JJ_PR]

The narrative at the time of the trade was that Cleveland had made out like bandits. Teams like Indiana and Chicago were being crucified by the media for the deals they got. Looking back, Chicago and Indiana easily got better returns than Cleveland did.

For the cavs, the Brooklyn pick was the centerpiece. However, that team has made some strong moves and the pick is looking like a mid to late lotto. Isaiah Thomas, even at 100%, might not be a good fit for this team, especially against the Warriors (and he's a free agent who thinks he deserves max money lol). Jae Crowder was supposed to be another important piece but he has regressed heavily.

Meanwhile, Victor Oladipo is a legitimate MvP candidate (he was 8th not too long ago). For Chicago, all guys they acquired have surpassed expectations. Markannen became the quickest EVER to hit 100 treys.

To think Cleveland was close to acquiring Jimmy Butler AND Eric Bledsoe in a three team trade. The cavs would have a team capable of beating the Warriors.

[76ciology]

Too early

[King Ken]

Too early.

[knuckles862]

I wouldn’t say worst return but I would say it didn’t move the needle at all imo

[NickAnderson]

Too early

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[MrBigShot]

Ask again come playoff time.

[RCM88x]

Idk, if that pick turns out to be someone who's capable of being a frachise level player that would be the only thing to save this. I don't believe the current coaching staff is able to really make that happen, or the FO for that matter.

I do think that the players we got back ultimately are far better off in a system like Bostons than here. I think Ainge did a pretty great job hyping up his guys with a great coach so he could sell them high, as I really don't believe that he had either IT or Crowder in their long term plan, (if he did IT would probably have had surgery immediately). And really, IT not being 100% is the real kicker with this deal. Honestly I never felt great about it after they had to re-negotiate it and tbh they would ultimately have been better off voiding it entirely. But it's a rookie GM in a tough spot, I don't think you can blame him for trying to do his best, and on paper it certainly looked to be an incredible deal.

[lambchop]

Too early, but yea possibly. The timing was simply off for the Cavs, had Kyrie voiced his opinion earlier, the cavs could have traded for cp3 or PG, who were both ready to play. Another option would have been to just wait until mid season or after the season and trade him then, even if he hadn't suited up in a single game.

But at the end of the day, the Cavs weren't going go get anything in return except for one year rentals. Teams like Chicago and Indy got more players in return simply because - unlike Kyrie - Butler and George had both proven that they can lead teams to success "by themselves". The nuggets weren't giving up jamal murray or another young talent, the suns weren't giving up josh jackson etc.

There just weren't many options at the time, but that was mainly due to the timing.

[draftnightsuit]

Cleveland got the best possible return they could get given the situation.

In any case, it’s still too early to make this thread.

[draftnightsuit]

Also, why do people continue to pretend that Brooklyn isn’t a horrible team?

They made some moves that improved their prospects for the future, kudos to their FO. It doesn’t change the fact that they are still a bad team for the time being.

Brooklyn currently has the 8th worst record in the league and is 1 game out of being the 4th worst. That pick will be somewhere in the top 10, probably closer to top 5.

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[JXL]

Only because Isaiah only played 6 games back from recovering from his hip, and needs about 10-12 more games to get acclimated to LeBron's play.

[HurricaneKid]

I mean the Nets pick is currently 7th and within a game of everyone except for Sac, ATL and Orl. And that was always the cornerstone. Both Ind and Chi clearly did far better than conventional wisdom at the time; but its likely that neither ends up with anything but a late lotto pick for their troubles. Indy has the same # of losses as the 9 seed.

IT is just getting his legs back and Crowder is finally starting to come around.

WAY too early.

[BeatDaCavs420]

IT needs more time jesus

I've even seen flashes of him and Lebron teaming up well....And with more time. I think it will just get more better

[BeatDaCavs420]

Still think Cavs trade that Brooklyn pick and get a good player in return

[Harry Garris]

Way too early based on IT's health alone. Also on top of that we have no idea what that pick is going to turn into.

[1993Playoffs]

Again like I said before, I don't see Kyrie staying in Boston long term. Its very possible that he moves on to play with his friends in MIN

[sicknastydunker]

Idk, if that pick turns out to be someone who's capable of being a frachise level player that would be the only thing to save this. I don't believe the current coaching staff is able to really make that happen, or the FO for that matter.

I do think that the players we got back ultimately are far better off in a system like Bostons than here. I think Ainge did a pretty great job hyping up his guys with a great coach so he could sell them high, as I really don't believe that he had either IT or Crowder in their long term plan, (if he did IT would probably have had surgery immediately). And really, IT not being 100% is the real kicker with this deal. Honestly I never felt great about it after they had to re-negotiate it and tbh they would ultimately have been better off voiding it entirely. But it's a rookie GM in a tough spot, I don't think you can blame him for trying to do his best, and on paper it certainly looked to be an incredible deal.

The pick isn't even looking good though

[Mister Ze]

Should have traded Kyrie to the West

#Salt

[RCM88x]

Idk, if that pick turns out to be someone who's capable of being a frachise level player that would be the only thing to save this. I don't believe the current coaching staff is able to really make that happen, or the FO for that matter.

I do think that the players we got back ultimately are far better off in a system like Bostons than here. I think Ainge did a pretty great job hyping up his guys with a great coach so he could sell them high, as I really don't believe that he had either IT or Crowder in their long term plan, (if he did IT would probably have had surgery immediately). And really, IT not being 100% is the real kicker with this deal. Honestly I never felt great about it after they had to re-negotiate it and tbh they would ultimately have been better off voiding it entirely. But it's a rookie GM in a tough spot, I don't think you can blame him for trying to do his best, and on paper it certainly looked to be an incredible deal.

The pick isn't even looking good though

Just because it's not a top 3 pick doesn't mean you can't get a good player. Obviously the top 3 pick is infinitely more valuable than a 8th overall pick. But I will admit that a lot of time now scouting isn't as crystal clear as it used to be. Lot of guys drafted outside the top 3 have been successful players capable of being a #1 or #2 option on a good team.