Draft order - Suns, Kings, Hawks

[kg01]

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They also could, and should, make a draft day trade with Dennis. Maybe if Phoenix drafts Ayton that could open up talks of Dennis to the Suns since they need a NBA PG. Phoenix has the #31 pick that feels like fair value for Atlanta as a straight up swap...

They're not getting Dennis Schröder for a 2nd round pick. They guy is still a young starting calibre point guard on a great deal with two-way potential (because he actually has the physical tools to be a good defender).

I think Schröder just hasn't been motivated enough in ATL lately since he's playing for a franchise that lets coaches go because they were winning too much games.

Anyone remember Schröders playoff series against WAS a year ago?: 25/8/2 on 45.5 % FG and 42.5 %

He'd be great fit in PHX I agree but they're not getting him a for salary dump

First, we didn't let the coach go. He quit after saying he was on board with our rebuild.

Second, you make some salient points about Dennis and the perception that's grown about him. He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense this year. There is some question as to whether or not this was by design due to the tank-job. Long story long, he's a good defender when engaged.

I also believe, in an environment where winning matters, he'll do quite well. The last time he was in a winning situation, he made Teague expendable.

[Jstock12]

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They also could, and should, make a draft day trade with Dennis. Maybe if Phoenix drafts Ayton that could open up talks of Dennis to the Suns since they need a NBA PG. Phoenix has the #31 pick that feels like fair value for Atlanta as a straight up swap...

They're not getting Dennis Schröder for a 2nd round pick. They guy is still a young starting calibre point guard on a great deal with two-way potential (because he actually has the physical tools to be a good defender).

I think Schröder just hasn't been motivated enough in ATL lately since he's playing for a franchise that lets coaches go because they were winning too much games.

Anyone remember Schröders playoff series against WAS a year ago?: 25/8/2 on 45.5 % FG and 42.5 %

He'd be great fit in PHX I agree but they're not getting him a for salary dump

First, we didn't let the coach go. He quit after saying he was on board with our rebuild.

Second, you make some salient points about Dennis and the perception that's grown about him. He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense this year. There is some question as to whether or not this was by design due to the tank-job. Long story long, he's a good defender when engaged.

I also believe, in an environment where winning matters, he'll do quite well. The last time he was in a winning situation, he made Teague expendable.

I have no clue about Schroeder's defense, but I notice Houston fans are saying the same about Harden. "He's a fantastic defender when engaged."

[King Ken]

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They also could, and should, make a draft day trade with Dennis. Maybe if Phoenix drafts Ayton that could open up talks of Dennis to the Suns since they need a NBA PG. Phoenix has the #31 pick that feels like fair value for Atlanta as a straight up swap...

They're not getting Dennis Schröder for a 2nd round pick. They guy is still a young starting calibre point guard on a great deal with two-way potential (because he actually has the physical tools to be a good defender).

I think Schröder just hasn't been motivated enough in ATL lately since he's playing for a franchise that lets coaches go because they were winning too much games.

Anyone remember Schröders playoff series against WAS a year ago?: 25/8/2 on 45.5 % FG and 42.5 %

He'd be great fit in PHX I agree but they're not getting him a for salary dump

First, we didn't let the coach go. He quit after saying he was on board with our rebuild.

Second, you make some salient points about Dennis and the perception that's grown about him. He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense this year. There is some question as to whether or not this was by design due to the tank-job. Long story long, he's a good defender when engaged.

I also believe, in an environment where winning matters, he'll do quite well. The last time he was in a winning situation, he made Teague expendable.

RealGM has some terrible hot takes. Thanks for shutting down the nonsense on the last page on Dennis kg.

[Snotbubbles]

They're not getting Dennis Schröder for a 2nd round pick. They guy is still a young starting calibre point guard on a great deal with two-way potential (because he actually has the physical tools to be a good defender).

I think Schröder just hasn't been motivated enough in ATL lately since he's playing for a franchise that lets coaches go because they were winning too much games.

Anyone remember Schröders playoff series against WAS a year ago?: 25/8/2 on 45.5 % FG and 42.5 %

He'd be great fit in PHX I agree but they're not getting him a for salary dump

First, we didn't let the coach go. He quit after saying he was on board with our rebuild.

Second, you make some salient points about Dennis and the perception that's grown about him. He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense this year. There is some question as to whether or not this was by design due to the tank-job. Long story long, he's a good defender when engaged.

I also believe, in an environment where winning matters, he'll do quite well. The last time he was in a winning situation, he made Teague expendable.

RealGM has some terrible hot takes. Thanks for shutting down the nonsense on the last page on Dennis kg.

"He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense..."

[New_Hawks_Era]

First, we didn't let the coach go. He quit after saying he was on board with our rebuild.

Second, you make some salient points about Dennis and the perception that's grown about him. He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense this year. There is some question as to whether or not this was by design due to the tank-job. Long story long, he's a good defender when engaged.

I also believe, in an environment where winning matters, he'll do quite well. The last time he was in a winning situation, he made Teague expendable.

RealGM has some terrible hot takes. Thanks for shutting down the nonsense on the last page on Dennis kg.

"He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense..."

He just tuned out and lost interest in being his best on defense with that team last season. But I can see how that would sound to other teams fans who don't watch him on a game to game basis. Take it from someone who has watched him since his rookie year, his on the ball defense can be Patrick Beverley like at times.

[Snotbubbles]

RealGM has some terrible hot takes. Thanks for shutting down the nonsense on the last page on Dennis kg.

"He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense..."

He just tuned out and lost interest in being his best on defense with that team last season. But I can see how that would sound to other teams fans who don't watch him on a game to game basis. Take it from someone who has watched him since his rookie year, his on the ball defense can be Patrick Beverley like at times.

Yet looking at his stats, they indicate that he's never been a good defender.

Career DRtg 109
Career DBPM -1.6

I mean James Harden gets blasted on here as being a bad defender and he has better defensive numbers than Schroder. Heck, Harden's worst year DBPM was -1.1, Schroder's best was -.9. Schoder is on the path to Marco Belinelli-type defensive numbers and Belinelli couldn't guard my grandmother.

[King Ken]

"He's not a bad defender, he just played bad defense..."

He just tuned out and lost interest in being his best on defense with that team last season. But I can see how that would sound to other teams fans who don't watch him on a game to game basis. Take it from someone who has watched him since his rookie year, his on the ball defense can be Patrick Beverley like at times.

Yet looking at his stats, they indicate that he's never been a good defender.

Career DRtg 109
Career DBPM -1.6

I mean James Harden gets blasted on here as being a bad defender and he has better defensive numbers than Schroder. Heck, Harden's worst year DBPM was -1.1, Schroder's best was -.9. Schoder is on the path to Marco Belinelli-type defensive numbers and Belinelli couldn't guard my grandmother.

Hes a poor PnR and off ball defender. His man defense is good. He was a good defensive player with Al Horford but there is only one Al Horford and everyone is good with him

[Clyde Frazier]

Awesome resource for historical combine data if it hasn't been posted yet:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1

[magnumt]

The Top 3 who lead my Big Board for the Knicks are:

• Mikal Bridges
• Trae Young
• Collin Sexton

At the bottom of it (but I'll still support them if they're Drafted by us):

• Poeter (injury risk is a HUGE concern for me given our current makeup)
• Carter (fit concerns for us)

Thoughts?!

--Mags

[PhilBlackson]

The Top 3 who lead my Big Board for the Knicks are:

• Mikal Bridges
• Trae Young
• Collin Sexton

At the bottom of it (but I'll still support them if they're Drafted by us):

• Poeter (injury risk is a HUGE concern for me given our current makeup)
• Carter (fit concerns for us)

Thoughts?!

--Mags

I don't see Young getting past ORL (period).

But I'd actually swap Porter Jr and Carter with Sexton and Bridges for your team. I think you guys just need to be patient with Frank and he could end up better than Sexton imo due to his length and more promising shooting touch. Bridges is a nice piece but when KP gets back you guys won't get an opportunity like this again to draft high so imo you have to take players with higher upside.

Whichever guy CHI doesn't take out of Porter Jr (who I get a feeling they will take the chance) or Carter, I'd take. I like either for your team. I see some "Horford" in Carter so idk why fit would be a concern because given his wingspan he can be interchangeable at the PF/C positions and KP can do likewise. Please don't see you're factoring Kanter because he's an ok piece but he's nothing you factor in long term as he's just a roleplayer especially since he sucks defensively which you need. Of course Porter Jr would be swinging on the homerun which again I would suggest because Kristaps had you guys battling for a Playoff spot n will again next year. If your franchise takes their time with his recover all of sudden you have an incredible duo that could suddenly catapult the Knicks into conversation for top future teams. Seems like a no brainer to me versus the "safe picks" that will only get you stuck on a treadmill. Just my 2c.

[FlatearthZorro]

I think Miles Bridges is the dark horse in this year's draft and he will be drafted outside of the top 10. His potential is off the hook, can shoot, sick athlete, very strong.

[NaturalBuns]

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They also could, and should, make a draft day trade with Dennis. Maybe if Phoenix drafts Ayton that could open up talks of Dennis to the Suns since they need a NBA PG. Phoenix has the #31 pick that feels like fair value for Atlanta as a straight up swap...

They're not getting Dennis Schröder for a 2nd round pick. The guy is still a young starting calibre point guard on a great deal with two-way potential (because he actually has the physical tools to be a good defender).

I think Schröder just hasn't been motivated enough in ATL lately since he's playing for a franchise that lets coaches go because they were winning too much games.

Anyone remember Schröders playoff series against WAS a year ago?: 25/8/2 on 45.5 % FG and 42.5 %

He'd be great fit in PHX I agree but they're not getting him a for salary dump

I just can't see the suns throwing a mid 1st for him when they have Brandon knight who has not even really played in phx but at his peak is just as good as schroder.

I don't see a major upgrade for them to do that

[jason bourne]

Awesome resource for historical combine data if it hasn't been posted yet:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1

Mo Bamba could be another Rudy Gobert with better offense.

[and1GS]

Awesome resource for historical combine data if it hasn't been posted yet:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1

Mo Bamba could be another Rudy Gobert with better offense.

This may be the most aggressive player comp I've seen since DeShawn Stevenson was compared to MJ on nbadraft.net

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[jason bourne]

Awesome resource for historical combine data if it hasn't been posted yet:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1

Mo Bamba could be another Rudy Gobert with better offense.

This may be the most aggressive player comp I've seen since DeShawn Stevenson was compared to MJ on nbadraft.net

I like Mo Bamba and it's not just nbadraft.net. Mark Cuban and Danny Ainge like him, too. For the Mavs, Bamba-Smith Jr-Barnes-Matthews-Dirk. That's four shooters and a potential Rudy Gobert. Same with Ainge's thinking.

[Pinkyring]

Mo Bamba could be another Rudy Gobert with better offense.

This may be the most aggressive player comp I've seen since DeShawn Stevenson was compared to MJ on nbadraft.net

I like Mo Bamba and it's not just nbadraft.net. Mark Cuban and Danny Ainge like him, too. For the Mavs, Bamba-Smith Jr-Barnes-Matthews-Dirk. That's four shooters and a potential Rudy Gobert. Same with Ainge's thinking.

Please dont bring up wes and Dirk they're done here, hopefully barnes is too after this season, dsj and whoever we draft is our team

[Clyde Frazier]

Givony:



Wow... Reinsdorf is a joke.

[SOUL]

Posted this in some specific forums, but I made a mock draft if ya'll want to check it out:
http://thedoublescreen.com/words/2018/6/2/2018-mock-draft

It's mostly for fun and light reading (it's gif heavy though so be careful lol), but thought ya'll might enjoy it here.

[SOUL]

Givony:



Wow... Reinsdorf is a joke.

Jordan Bell didn't make them enough money?