LeBron's averaging 34/9/9 on 62% TS and 33.6 PER in the playoffs.

QPR · Post #241 » by **QPR** » Sat May 26, 2018 10:02 pm

History gets re-written every year with the notion that Jordan somehow made all his team mates play above themselves every season.

He ostracised just as many team mates as he inspired with his obsessive competitiveness, especially earlier in his career. It would be very interesting to see how his career would have gone without Jackson.

Post #242 » by **zimpy27** » Sat May 26, 2018 10:14 pm

Baarignani wrote:LeBron is an intellectually and physically superior being, that should not be compared to humans. He is either an alien life form or from the future.

Read on Twitter

This can't be right, i read on here that he's not playing defense

Dupp · Post #243 » by **Dupp** » Sat May 26, 2018 10:54 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
Baarignani wrote:LeBron is an intellectually and physically superior being, that should not be compared to humans. He is either an alien life form or from the future.

Read on Twitter

This can't be right, i read on here that he's not playing defense

That Kevin love impact though

dautjazz · Post #244 » by **dautjazz** » Sat May 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Just look at the stats, especially PPG, look how balanced the scoring is for Boston, then for Cleveland. Lebron is averaging 20.8ppg MORE than the next best on his team. That's how bad the help has been for him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html

mdonnelly1989 · Post #245 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Sat May 26, 2018 11:20 pm

Anyone know what Dr J's numbers were in 78? All's I hear about is the postseason that he had, made him a top 15 Peak of all time.

Young gun 6 · Post #246 » by **Young gun 6** » Sat May 26, 2018 11:31 pm

mdonnelly1989 wrote:Anyone know what Dr J's numbers were in 78? All's I hear about is the postseason that he had, made him a top 15 Peak of all time.

None of his NBA playoffs were insane.

HIs best year was 1979

25/8/6/2/2

His ABA playoffs stats however...

33/20/7 on 1972 and
35/13/5/2/2 1976

mdonnelly1989 · Post #247 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Sat May 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Young gun 6 wrote:
mdonnelly1989 wrote:Anyone know what Dr J's numbers were in 78? All's I hear about is the postseason that he had, made him a top 15 Peak of all time.

None of his NBA playoffs were insane.

HIs best year was 1979

25/8/6/2/2

His ABA playoffs stats however...

33/20/7 on 1972 and
35/13/5/2/2 1976

That's too difficult to translate to know really the extent of his season compares...

homecourtloss · Post #248 » by **homecourtloss** » Sat May 26, 2018 11:53 pm

contestedlayups wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
GordanFreeman wrote:
How would you prove this? Can you quantify this statement?

Of course he can't. Hence crickets.

See my response bud. Some people have lives outside of these forums.

You didn’t prove anything. You just said something about Jordan magically giving guys like Kerr and Paxson (two guys, BTW, who would be mercilessly ‘bum hunted’ on court in today’s game and wouldn’t be able to stay on the court in a CF or F game most likely) the confidence to make shots while James doesn’t do so. That’s the definition of subjectivity. You didn’t quantify anything because you can’t.

Young gun 6 · Post #249 » by **Young gun 6** » Sun May 27, 2018 1:41 am

mdonnelly1989 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
mdonnelly1989 wrote:Anyone know what Dr J's numbers were in 78? All's I hear about is the postseason that he had, made him a top 15 Peak of all time.

None of his NBA playoffs were insane.

HIs best year was 1979

25/8/6/2/2

His ABA playoffs stats however...

33/20/7 on 1972 and
35/13/5/2/2 1976

That's too difficult to translate to know really the extent of his season compares...

What is?

In 1978 NBA playoffs his team went 6-4 in playoffs losing in the 3rd round

He averaged:

22/10/4/1.5/1.5 on 49% FG and 75% FT

I have never heard of people say his 1978 post season was incredible and i'd say the stats back that up.

For comparison they lost to the Washington Bullets and their best player (Elvin Hayes) averaged 22/14/2/2.5/1.5 on 49% shooting as well.

DR.J had a PER of 21.2 in the playoffs that year behind:

Gervin (29.4)
Marques Johnson (27.2)
Steve Mix (25.1)

mdonnelly1989 · Post #250 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Sun May 27, 2018 2:57 am

Young gun 6 wrote:
mdonnelly1989 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
None of his NBA playoffs were insane.

HIs best year was 1979

25/8/6/2/2

His ABA playoffs stats however...

33/20/7 on 1972 and
35/13/5/2/2 1976

That's too difficult to translate to know really the extent of his season compares...

What is?

In 1978 NBA playoffs his team went 6-4 in playoffs losing in the 3rd round

He averaged:

22/10/4/1.5/1.5 on 49% FG and 75% FT

I have never heard of people say his 1978 post season was incredible and i'd say the stats back that up.

For comparison they lost to the Washington Bullets and their best player (Elvin Hayes) averaged 22/14/2/2.5/1.5 on 49% shooting as well.

DR.J had a PER of 21.2 in the playoffs that year behind:

Gervin (29.4)
Marques Johnson (27.2)
Steve Mix (25.1)

No I'm saying it's hard to translate 1979 season

missionman · Post #251 » by **missionman** » Sun May 27, 2018 3:20 am

contestedlayups wrote:
missionman wrote:
contestedlayups wrote:
It's funny. I actually believed you for a second and looked up all of those players advanced stats, and not counting the year that they were traded for (going from a non-contender to a contender cancels their stats for that season) each player outside of Channing Frye had a year similar to their career averages in their first year with Cleveland. OH and all of Kyrie's advanced stats this season were far better than his years in Cleveland. Using Kyrie in your argument is inconclusive, since he's a hall of fame talent anyway.

really? could be that i am picking the wrong 'advanced stats'. I like WS/48, and BPM. Maybe ORTG and DRTG. Why does going from a contender to a non-contender cancel stats for the season...?
JR Smith - i won't even post them - you can look them up yourself. He was awful as knick and went to 12.4% winshare w cavs
Korver in ATL went from .088 to .114 in WS.
MO Williams went from 13.6% to 2.6% in WS.
etc.

In aggregate i find little to suggest that players got worse with Lebron, rather they got better from marginal to substantial - certainly VORP goes down for high usage players giving up usage to Lebron. The only really exception to this is Kevin Love (Chris Bosh and Wade were pretty much similarly effective when teamed up on the superfriend).

contestedlayups wrote:

I watched Jordan play. I was a fan of his (and a bigger fan of Pippen). I'm not saying you didn't. But I don't get this feeling that you are conveying anymore than I get from Lebron. Players like Kerr and Scott Williams made big shots in the finals. So have JR Smith and Channing Frye. They were all just role players to me in the shadow of greatness.

Brandon_Roy7 · Post #252 » by **Brandon_Roy7** » Sun May 27, 2018 3:27 am

Dirk in 2011 had the goat postseason run without a doubt.

Young gun 6 · Post #253 » by **Young gun 6** » Sun May 27, 2018 3:34 am

Brandon_Roy7 wrote:Dirk in 2011 had the goat postseason run without a doubt.

2006 was arguably as good if not better by Dirk.

homecourtloss · Post #254 » by **homecourtloss** » Sun May 27, 2018 6:31 am

Brandon_Roy7 wrote:Dirk in 2011 had the goat postseason run without a doubt.

No, he didn’t.

Danny1616 · Post #255 » by **Danny1616** » Sun May 27, 2018 7:15 am

I don't like Lebron but have to admit he is playing some of the greatest ball I've seen this year.

The difference is his shooting ability is now consistent and he's much more decisive in his post-up game which has opened everything. In the past he would be very inconsistent with his outside shooting.

2klegend · Post #256 » by **2klegend** » Sun May 27, 2018 11:36 am

The game changed so much that it makes things very easy for player, especially the one of ATG caliber like Lebron, to get insane stat. Still Jordan would have insane stat had he plays in this free flowing with very open space.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #257 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Sun May 27, 2018 2:49 pm

Baarignani wrote:LeBron is an intellectually and physically superior being, that should not be compared to humans. He is either an alien life form or from the future.

Read on Twitter

yet when cleveland loses, we are going to ignore the fact that teammates and coaches matter and we'll blame him and/or knock him down in the GOAT conversation. Sports fans can be real idiots sometimes.

mademan · Post #258 » by **mademan** » Sun May 27, 2018 2:57 pm

2klegend wrote:The game changed so much that it makes things very easy for player, especially the one of ATG caliber like Lebron, to get insane stat. Still Jordan would have insane stat had he plays in this free flowing with very open space.

Where are all these guys putting up insane stats?

IG2 · Post #259 » by **IG2** » Sun May 27, 2018 3:05 pm

mademan wrote:
Where are all these guys putting up insane stats?

Exactly. Where are these guys with insane stats? LeBron leads the playoffs with a PER of 33.6. The next highest guy is Giannis with 26.8 and he only played one round. The other stars who are still playing - Harden, Durant, CP3 and Curry - all range between a PER of 22-25.

What LeBron's doing this postseason is simply ridiculous.

XxIronChainzxX · Post #260 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Sun May 27, 2018 3:51 pm

2klegend wrote:The game changed so much that it makes things very easy for player, especially the one of ATG caliber like Lebron, to get insane stat. Still Jordan would have insane stat had he plays in this free flowing with very open space.

Westbrook's the only one recently with "insane" stats and we've talked to death about how some of those #s are probably inflated by the way the team uses him. In the RS. Curry in the RS has unreal shooting stats. LeBron actually ups his #s for the PS compared to his more pedestrian RS $#s. Who else do you have in mind?

Is LeBron having the GOAT offensive postseason?