If Houston wins the championship, and then Lebron joins them next year...

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Which is worse?

Lebron’s Miami superteam
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KD joining a 73 win team
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Lebron joining Houston after a chip
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Re: If Houston wins the championship, and then Lebron joins them next year... 

Post#61 » by HotTubMike » Fri May 25, 2018 7:17 pm

Hopper15 wrote:
HotTubMike wrote:
All you had to do was "google" it but here you go:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/12/11/16761746/lebron-james-rockets-free-agency-salary-cap-how


Not looking for links or long articles. Just a quick synopsis. Thanks though.

A lot of Hail Mary's there and they have to dump Tucker too (which might actually be doable to the right team with a big TPE). I just can't imagine Lebron and CP taking haircuts like that. They'll have like 10 roster spots to fill with a room exception and vet mins.


I find that if I try to explain the Rockets ability to acquire Lebron James posters just dump all over my explanation and shoot holes in it. It's better to link them to an article where someone they might respect will lay it out better than I can.
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Re: If Houston wins the championship, and then Lebron joins them next year... 

Post#62 » by The Penguin » Fri May 25, 2018 7:27 pm

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The Penguin wrote:Who cares?

This is the league now, AAU culture, if teams can't build around these superstars to the point they think they can win, they are going to leave for a better opportunity and they should. If someone is working for a tech startup that looks like it might go under and Amazon comes calling, no one is going to say that's a bitch move. This antiquated notion you must be tied to the team that drafts you and the only respectable way to build a franchise is through draft picks is just stupid.


Typically I agree. That said OKC wasn't a "tech startup going under" they had a top 10 guy, a top 5 guy, and several other good players in their primes. They then had a chance to overtake the giant and KD failed to do so. Had KD stayed in OKC, they are one of the best teams in the league and arguably could have won at least the title last year.

Last year they would have been

Adams/Kanter
Taj/Sabonis
Durant/Grant
Oladipo/Roberson
Westbrook

This team is winning the title. And then they could have went and traded for Paul George anyways and DEFINITELY been the favorites this year.

Adams
Durant
George
Roberson
Westbrook

They could be going for 2 in a row with 4 all stars the same as GSW but nobody would have hated on him for that.


Or they could have not gone cheap and kept Harden...

But largely it doesn't change the point. He left for a better "job". If DeAndre Hopkins lights it up for 6 years with the Texans, has some playoff success but ultimately never wins, then goes to the Pats and wins a ring, no one following the NFL is questioning his manhood or suggesting an asterisk on his HOF plaque. If Justin Verlander goes to a couple WS with the Tigers, but never wins, only to join the Astros and win the title no one says it diminishes his legacy. This is exclusively a NBA fan thing and it's dumb.
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Post#63 » by LightTheBeam » Fri May 25, 2018 7:48 pm

The Penguin wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
The Penguin wrote:Who cares?

This is the league now, AAU culture, if teams can't build around these superstars to the point they think they can win, they are going to leave for a better opportunity and they should. If someone is working for a tech startup that looks like it might go under and Amazon comes calling, no one is going to say that's a bitch move. This antiquated notion you must be tied to the team that drafts you and the only respectable way to build a franchise is through draft picks is just stupid.


Typically I agree. That said OKC wasn't a "tech startup going under" they had a top 10 guy, a top 5 guy, and several other good players in their primes. They then had a chance to overtake the giant and KD failed to do so. Had KD stayed in OKC, they are one of the best teams in the league and arguably could have won at least the title last year.

Last year they would have been

Adams/Kanter
Taj/Sabonis
Durant/Grant
Oladipo/Roberson
Westbrook

This team is winning the title. And then they could have went and traded for Paul George anyways and DEFINITELY been the favorites this year.

Adams
Durant
George
Roberson
Westbrook

They could be going for 2 in a row with 4 all stars the same as GSW but nobody would have hated on him for that.


Or they could have not gone cheap and kept Harden...

But largely it doesn't change the point. He left for a better "job". If DeAndre Hopkins lights it up for 6 years with the Texans, has some playoff success but ultimately never wins, then goes to the Pats and wins a ring, no one following the NFL is questioning his manhood or suggesting an asterisk on his HOF plaque. If Justin Verlander goes to a couple WS with the Tigers, but never wins, only to join the Astros and win the title no one says it diminishes his legacy. This is exclusively a NBA fan thing and it's dumb.


I agree they should have kept Harden. But your OP was making it seem like the walls were crashing down in OKC. They were up 3-1 against the Warriors in the WCF. This was MJ leaving the Bulls to join the Celtics. Something that we have never seen done. Even Lebron didn't leave to join hes top competition. He joined a 47 win team who basically started from scratch the next year save Wade/Haslem. HE STILL got backlash.

Also your NFL/MLB comparsion doesn't even come close to comparison. No one player in the NFL or MLB makes as significant of a difference as one player in the NBA. It would more so be like if Brady and Belichick lost in the Super Bowl to the Eagles and both of them decided to go join the Eagles. Even then NFL is a different beast because anything can happen in 1 game, where the NBA is a series and usually the best talent wins out.

The reason people are mad at Durant is that he took the competitive spirit out of the NBA. As fans we choose to see it as entertainment not a business. Right or wrong, Durant had his chance to overtake the "Amazon" of the NBA and failed. Then did something no great player in the NBA has ever done. Defend him all you want, I'll be the first to say its his right to do that. But don't get upset when other people criticize him for his lack of mental toughness.
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Post#64 » by beeshake » Fri May 25, 2018 7:59 pm

The east playoffs will be for consolation
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Post#65 » by Ugly Duckling » Fri May 25, 2018 10:28 pm

ZemGOAT wrote:Not at all.
These players have the choice to make these FA decisions just as much as these GMs and Owners can trade. What KD did looked bad but its not his fault the team was available. People can say all they want he did make the right decision for his career especially if you compare it to his previous situation. Im never gonna blame a player for leaving a team to go to a better one or staying in a bad one for max money. At the end of the day, thier NBA careers are not forever and they need to take advantage of the moment as much as they can.


It's not about leaving your team to go to a better one. It's about leaving your team to go to your rival who just eliminated you from the postseason and has the best record of all time
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Post#66 » by xfactor » Fri May 25, 2018 10:29 pm

:lol: at all these people obsessing over a 73 win Western Conference Champ. Big deal.
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Post#67 » by Warchant » Fri May 25, 2018 11:27 pm

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Warchant wrote:Kyrie says hi!!!!!!!!! :D


Not really. LeBron obliterated everybody's stats that year. I can't remember exactly, but didn't LeBron lead all players in a ridiculous amount of stats that series?

Sure, Kyrie made some big shots, I'm not taking anything away from him. But he also couldn't get Cleveland in the playoffs without LeBron. Not once.

Bron brought Cleveland that title (with help of course). C'mon now :)

Dude anybody who acts like Kyrie is more responsible than LeBron for that title isn’t even worth talking to. Every star has had role players and other All Stars on their team hit big shots. People who try to act like only LeBron has had that happen is a moron.

Kyrie had 41 pts on 17-24 FGs in game do or die in '16....LB had more than help
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Post#68 » by Warchant » Fri May 25, 2018 11:29 pm

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Kyrie did chit before LBJ.

So would LB if he had the players Kyrie had when he was 20 yrs old....good observation though smh

LeBron actually led the Cavs to the Finals when he was Kyrie's age (22 in 2007 versus 22 in 2014). Good try though.

Kyrie had nobody on the Cavs his 1st few seasons
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Post#69 » by KuruptedCav » Sat May 26, 2018 12:12 am

Hopper15 wrote:
HotTubMike wrote:
All you had to do was "google" it but here you go:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/12/11/16761746/lebron-james-rockets-free-agency-salary-cap-how


Not looking for links or long articles. Just a quick synopsis. Thanks though.

A lot of Hail Mary's there and they have to dump Tucker too (which might actually be doable to the right team with a big TPE). I just can't imagine Lebron and CP taking haircuts like that. They'll have like 10 roster spots to fill with a room exception and vet mins.


The same way he landed in Miami. He said he wanted to go there, was no longer interested in being a Cavalier, and gave the Cavs an opportunity to acquire assets.

James to Houston for Anderson and heavily protected first round picks in 2020 & 2022 works for this Cavs fan.

If he doesn’t want to be here, he doesn’t want to be here. If we can get something out of it, all the better.


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Post#70 » by ZemGOAT » Sat May 26, 2018 12:14 am

Ugly Duckling wrote:
ZemGOAT wrote:Not at all.
These players have the choice to make these FA decisions just as much as these GMs and Owners can trade. What KD did looked bad but its not his fault the team was available. People can say all they want he did make the right decision for his career especially if you compare it to his previous situation. Im never gonna blame a player for leaving a team to go to a better one or staying in a bad one for max money. At the end of the day, thier NBA careers are not forever and they need to take advantage of the moment as much as they can.


It's not about leaving your team to go to a better one. It's about leaving your team to go to your rival who just eliminated you from the postseason and has the best record of all time


Isit his fault the best team in the nba was available for him to go to?
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Post#71 » by Ugly Duckling » Sat May 26, 2018 12:21 am

ZemGOAT wrote:
Ugly Duckling wrote:
ZemGOAT wrote:Not at all.
These players have the choice to make these FA decisions just as much as these GMs and Owners can trade. What KD did looked bad but its not his fault the team was available. People can say all they want he did make the right decision for his career especially if you compare it to his previous situation. Im never gonna blame a player for leaving a team to go to a better one or staying in a bad one for max money. At the end of the day, thier NBA careers are not forever and they need to take advantage of the moment as much as they can.


It's not about leaving your team to go to a better one. It's about leaving your team to go to your rival who just eliminated you from the postseason and has the best record of all time


Isit his fault the best team in the nba was available for him to go to?


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Post#72 » by Fresh360Waves » Sat May 26, 2018 1:05 am

OdomFan wrote:I really don't think Lebron and Harden would mesh well together.


People said the same about CP3 and Harden. They are doing fine.
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Post#73 » by baller16 » Sat May 26, 2018 1:28 am

Warchant wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
Warchant wrote:So would LB if he had the players Kyrie had when he was 20 yrs old....good observation though smh

LeBron actually led the Cavs to the Finals when he was Kyrie's age (22 in 2007 versus 22 in 2014). Good try though.

Kyrie had nobody on the Cavs his 1st few seasons


Snow/Hughes/LBJ/Gooden/Ilgauskas made the playoffs during the 05-06 season finishing 4th. That supporting cast is the very definition of nobody
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Post#74 » by Cappy_Smurf » Sat May 26, 2018 1:56 am

To me, this is just a dumb question. People want to act like what KD did was the same thing as LeBron building something completely new in Miami. It wasn't. Not even close. Very few elite athletes have a total lack of respect for themselves like KD did to join the Warriors. LeBron would never do something that gutless, so why even speculate?

But sure, if LeBron did pull a KD, it would be cowardly. That's why he would never do something like that, nor would 99% of elte athletes, because they just aren't built like that.
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Post#75 » by PKABOOICU » Sat May 26, 2018 2:55 am

I think his 1st choice will be the Lakers because the next place he plays will probably be the place he retires, and LA is full of great schools for his kids and probably some AAU crap for Bronnie.
Pair that with all the money the Lakers have to offer another 2 free agents, and Lebron can lead the team to a championship.
And lastly, IF Lebron does bring a championship to Los Angeles, he's going to be making a very very serious push at GOAT over Jordan, and immediately have his jersey retired by 3 different teams as well as rings with 3 different teams.
I mean, Lebron can go right into the "greatest Laker ever" fold within 4 seasons and a ring there, and its entirely possible.

Too much incentive for his legacy.
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Post#76 » by PhilBlackson » Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 am

He's going to PHI, don't worry about it.
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Post#77 » by Warchant » Sat May 26, 2018 3:21 am

baller16 wrote:
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yoyoboy wrote:LeBron actually led the Cavs to the Finals when he was Kyrie's age (22 in 2007 versus 22 in 2014). Good try though.

Kyrie had nobody on the Cavs his 1st few seasons


Snow/Hughes/LBJ/Gooden/Ilgauskas made the playoffs during the 05-06 season finishing 4th. That supporting cast is the very definition of nobody

Huh...Z was a huge part of the Cavs, Gooden was very good that year and Hughes was a legit 15-20 pt scorer w real solid D
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Post#78 » by yoyoboy » Sat May 26, 2018 3:26 am

Warchant wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Warchant wrote:Kyrie had nobody on the Cavs his 1st few seasons


Snow/Hughes/LBJ/Gooden/Ilgauskas made the playoffs during the 05-06 season finishing 4th. That supporting cast is the very definition of nobody

Huh...Z was a huge part of the Cavs, Gooden was very good that year and Hughes was a legit 15-20 pt scorer w real solid D

What exactly are you trying to get at here? Are you saying that Kyrie is as good as LeBron.
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Post#79 » by Warchant » Sat May 26, 2018 4:18 am

yoyoboy wrote:
Warchant wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Snow/Hughes/LBJ/Gooden/Ilgauskas made the playoffs during the 05-06 season finishing 4th. That supporting cast is the very definition of nobody

Huh...Z was a huge part of the Cavs, Gooden was very good that year and Hughes was a legit 15-20 pt scorer w real solid D

What exactly are you trying to get at here? Are you saying that Kyrie is as good as LeBron.

Somebody wrote Kyrie wasnt chit w/out LB...thats how it all started
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Post#80 » by dautjazz » Sat May 26, 2018 9:40 pm

Warchant wrote:
Sheedpocalypse wrote:Of course it would be a weak move. But then again, he already did put the Cavs on his back and won Cleveland that coveted overdue sports title, so yeah nah KD still takes the beta crown.

Kyrie says hi!!!!!!!!! :D

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