Josh Hart is legitimately better than D’Angelo Russell

draftnightsuit · Post #1 » by **draftnightsuit** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:25 pm

Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

septahex · Post #2 » by **septahex** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:31 pm

Josh Hart isn't better than DLo. I do give credit for lakers great scouting in getting wagner and Svi Mykhailiuk. I think they missed with lonzo ball though.

djw · Post #3 » by **djw** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:32 pm

I'm kind of confused. If the Lakers' scouting and player development is so good, why did they need to trade their former #2 pick in the beginning? Any why did they have one of the worst contracts in the league on their roster at all?

Post #4 » by **Goudelock** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:34 pm

It's summer league. I'd calm down with the hot takes for now.

Post #5 » by **BFRESH44** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:34 pm

The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league

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draftnightsuit · Post #6 » by **draftnightsuit** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:34 pm

djw wrote:I'm kind of confused. If the Lakers' scouting and player development is so good, why did they need to trade their former #2 pick in the beginning? Any why did they have one of the worst contracts in the league on their roster at all?

The current Lakers regime didn’t draft Russell, nor did they give the contracts to Mozgov and Deng. They inherited it from Jim Buss.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #7 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:35 pm

djw wrote:I'm kind of confused. If the Lakers' scouting and player development is so good, why did they need to trade their former #2 pick in the beginning? Any why did they have one of the worst contracts in the league on their roster at all?

Russell wasn’t Magic pick.

HoopsterJones · Post #8 » by **HoopsterJones** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:36 pm

It certainly has worked out well for the Lakers.
Unloading Mozgov’s contract was the big win at the cost of DLo. Anything positive from Kuzma is gravy.

ISayshowmee · Post #9 » by **ISayshowmee** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:40 pm

I will take Josh Hart over DLO anytime. Scoring, defense, likeable and oh yes ... mature way way better than what we had seen from DLO.

NBAFan93 · Post #10 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:50 pm

draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

DLo was hurt a good portion of last year, so there is that... But I’m looking at their stats and I don’t see any justification for how Hart is “better”? DLo’s scoring was much better even when adjusted for playing time. Also, didn’t Hart play mostly garbage time? Plus DLo is younger for those who care about that.

I guess Laker fans trying to hype their trade bait though.

76ciology · Post #11 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:50 pm

Josh Hart is better than Jordan. Michael B Jordan.

SDman · Post #12 » by **SDman** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:03 pm

NBAFan93 wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

DLo was hurt a good portion of last year, so there is that... But I’m looking at their stats and I don’t see any justification for how Hart is “better”? DLo’s scoring was much better even when adjusted for playing time. Also, didn’t Hart play mostly garbage time? Plus DLo is younger for those who care about that.

I guess Laker fans trying to hype their trade bait though.

All good points. But just to be accurate, Hart started and did most of his damage during meaningful minutes. On a lighter note, when you play for the Nets you're playing mostly garbage time too. :lol:

HeartBreakKid · Post #13 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:09 pm

draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

Uh, who have they developed, lol? None of their homegrown talent has even played on a playoff team yet. They drafted well, but I don't get how you can say they developed Kyle Kuzma..lol

also, you do realize that trading a #2 pick for a late first infers that they messed up in both scouting and player development, right?

rcc8884 · Post #14 » by **rcc8884** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Your getting a little over your head on this one

Drakeem · Post #15 » by **Drakeem** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:15 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

Uh, who have they developed, lol? None of their homegrown talent has even played on a playoff team yet. They drafted well, but I don't get how you can say they developed Kyle Kuzma..lol

also, you do realize that trading a #2 pick for a late first infers that they messed up in both scouting and player development, right?

I agree, but Clarkson and Nance both played on a playoff team technically :wink:

HeartBreakKid · Post #16 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:16 pm

Drakeem wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

Uh, who have they developed, lol? None of their homegrown talent has even played on a playoff team yet. They drafted well, but I don't get how you can say they developed Kyle Kuzma..lol

also, you do realize that trading a #2 pick for a late first infers that they messed up in both scouting and player development, right?
I agree, but Clarkson and Nance both played on a playoff team technically

Yeah and neither one of them were all that good, especially Clarkson.

TheGOATWill · Post #17 » by **TheGOATWill** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:18 pm

septahex wrote:Josh Hart isn't better than DLo. I do give credit for lakers great scouting in getting wagner and Svi Mykhailiuk. I think they missed with lonzo ball though.

Hart started getting starter minutes after the break and averaged 15 and 6. And he’s a better 2 way player than Russell by a mile.

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spicy6 · Post #18 » by **spicy6** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Uh no lets wait till the season is up and running. Hart might not even be in the rotation literally. Hes behind KCP, and lance at the 2 unless lance is the backup to the ingram/lebron whoever plays the 3.

TheGOATWill · Post #19 » by **TheGOATWill** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:21 pm

With the age limit going back to 18 I think there will be something to be said about players with 3 and 4 years of college experience. Kuzma, Hart, Wagner and Svi are part of what seems to be a budding trend by Magic and Pelinka. I think they might be into something.

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NBAFan93 · Post #20 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:23 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:Basically, the Lakers traded a player that they knew was overrated while his value was at its absolute highest to dump one of the worst contracts in the league. And got a draft pick in return which they turned into Kuzma.

Drafting Kuzma also wasn’t a fluke because they drafted Hart a couple of picks later. The Lakers’ scouting and player development is probably top 5 in the league, which is why they were willing to flip a former #2 pick for a late first rounder.

This is yet another trade that the majority of fans and media got wrong, just like the George trade and Butler trade. I think it just proves that the vast majority of fans don’t know as much they think they do, and they certainly don’t know more than the average GM.

Uh, who have they developed, lol? None of their homegrown talent has even played on a playoff team yet. They drafted well, but I don't get how you can say they developed Kyle Kuzma..lol

also, you do realize that trading a #2 pick for a late first infers that they messed up in both scouting and player development, right?

Yeah - they literally have developed no one. They’ve punted on (traded away or let walk) every young player they drafted before the 2016 draft. And you know they’d trade at least some mix of Ingram, Ball and Hart for Kawhi in a heartbeat.

Other teams in the league have drafted/developed young players in the same timeframe, w/ the same caliber of picks, that are untouchable in trades for vets.