Raptors in Driver's Seat to trade for Kawhi Leonard

Post #221 » by **lebron stopper** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:20 pm

K P 6 wrote:lol Raptors trading their best player for a potential washed up rental. Welp. I guess time is up. However Its potentially a bad trade if Kahwhi walks.

"DeRozan"
"Raptors best player"
:roll:

homecourtloss · Post #222 » by **homecourtloss** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:22 pm

DROB27 wrote:
Topher wrote:
DROB27 wrote:
Then no deal will happen.

Of course a deal can happen. Who says the Spurs even want Derozan? It was all speculation from the beginning and it still is.

Pop wants to be competitive still . Derozan gives him the best chance at that

But when he’s playing against Lebron he’s the worst player ever in a crappy conference, right?

LuDux1 · Post #223 » by **LuDux1** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:22 pm

Vampirate wrote:
mademan wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Meh, worse comes to worse Kawhi leaves in a year opening even more caps pace for a max player in 2020 or the Raptors just straight go into tank mode.

Derozan 's contract is effectively 3 years since the third year is a players option which he'll probably pick up.

No, worse comes to worse, Kawhi destroys the lockerroom. Much of the raps success has been their culture and chemistry. Throwing in someone who does not want to be there and has already proven to be a malcontent on his original team can destroy everything the Raps have built culture wise.

Honestly I'm thinking more than one year here.

I'd probably do Kawhi some good to be on his best behavior as playing on the Raptors for a year could be seen as a try out for the Lakers. Good lord they already have enough of a headache with Lava Ball.

Let's see how far he can take this team. I'm sure the Lakers would love it for him to prove that he's put all the issues behind him and to also prove he's still a top 5 player in the league.

Hawaii see what you did there

Post #224 » by **lebron stopper** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:22 pm

DROB27 wrote:
Captain Hooker wrote:
DROB27 wrote:
Naw that ball movement style hasn’t existed since Kawhi took over as number 1 option .

He plays iso ball as well

I dont know what Spurs you were watching but ball movement is clearly evident in their games and it is a thing of beauty.

Kawhi's shots is within the system. He doesnt disrupt the offense by his game. DeRozan seems like a bit of ball stopper.

Yeah maybe when LMA and Kawhi aren’t on the floor

The bench unit usually does the ball movement.

Sounds like the Raptors from last season.

DROB27 · Post #225 » by **DROB27** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:23 pm

homecourtloss wrote:
DROB27 wrote:
Topher wrote:
Of course a deal can happen. Who says the Spurs even want Derozan? It was all speculation from the beginning and it still is.

Pop wants to be competitive still . Derozan gives him the best chance at that

But when he’s playing against Lebron he’s the worst player ever in a crappy conference, right?

Did i ever say that?

NinjaBro · Post #226 » by **NinjaBro** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:30 pm

K P 6 wrote:lol Raptors trading their best player for a potential washed up rental. Welp. I guess time is up. However Its potentially a bad trade if Kahwhi walks.

Toronto is one of the few teams in the league that won't be hurt too badly if Kawhi walks. We got a ton of young prospects and we'll be rebuilding a year early if Kawhi decides to walk. We get out of a ton of salary in 2 years when Lowry, Ibaka, JV and Derozan comes off our books anyways, that's 95M. Kawhi walks, we start the rebuild a year earlier, not the worst thing in the world. By that time hopefully all our young guys will be ready to take over.

dukes_wild · Post #227 » by **dukes_wild** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:48 pm

K P 6 wrote:lol Raptors trading their best player for a potential washed up rental. Welp. I guess time is up. However Its potentially a bad trade if Kahwhi walks.

We're not going to trade Lowry

gp2015 · Post #228 » by **gp2015** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:40 pm

mademan wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:People are treating this like its 2k.

Yes it would be worth it for the Raptors to give up Derozan for one year to compete for a title.

But if Leonard doesn't want to be there at all, do we really think hes going to play at an elite level? He already quit on his last team.

The chemistry on the team could be toxic.

And I don't think Kawhi could ever be convinced to sign long term in Canada.

Meh, worse comes to worse Kawhi leaves in a year opening even more caps pace for a max player in 2020 or the Raptors just straight go into tank mode.

Derozan 's contract is effectively 3 years since the third year is a players option which he'll probably pick up.

No, 'worse comes to worse', Kawhi destroys the lockerroom. Much of the raps success has been their culture and chemistry. Throwing in someone who does not want to be there and has already proven to be a malcontent on his original team can destroy everything the Raps have built culture wise.

Kawhi will likely be playing for his last biggest contract of his career. Why would he put that at risk by acting out and playing bad? I wouldn't worry about him next season. Players have their best seasons when they're due for a large contract.

Where has this team culture gotten the Raptors lately? We're blowing it up in 2 seasons or less anyways.

F N 11 · Post #229 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:54 pm

lebron stopper wrote:
K P 6 wrote:lol Raptors trading their best player for a potential washed up rental. Welp. I guess time is up. However Its potentially a bad trade if Kahwhi walks.

"DeRozan"
"Raptors best player"

Leme guess, Lowry. Okay cool

S.W.A.N · Post #230 » by **S.W.A.N** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:53 am

Topher wrote:
DROB27 wrote:
Topher wrote:
Of course a deal can happen. Who says the Spurs even want Derozan? It was all speculation from the beginning and it still is.

Pop wants to be competitive still . Derozan gives him the best chance at that

You can be young and still be competitive. Pop knows they’re not winning anything in the West. JV, OG, Delon and 2019 1st would be my best and final offer. I don’t work for the Raptors though so it’s irrelevant. Trading Derozan for Kawhi would be a huge mistake. Opposite of loyalty.

Loyalty shouldn't stand in the way of improving your team. If spurs want demar that is a good thing. Demar and Delon, or OG and a conditional pick is a fair deal.

TdotRap4Lyfe · Post #231 » by **TdotRap4Lyfe** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
Topher wrote:
DROB27 wrote:
Pop wants to be competitive still . Derozan gives him the best chance at that

You can be young and still be competitive. Pop knows they’re not winning anything in the West. JV, OG, Delon and 2019 1st would be my best and final offer. I don’t work for the Raptors though so it’s irrelevant. Trading Derozan for Kawhi would be a huge mistake. Opposite of loyalty.

Loyalty shouldn't stand in the way of improving your team. If spurs want demar that is a good thing. Demar and Delon, or OG and a conditional pick is a fair deal.

I'd be shocked if all Pops wants is DeMar, Delon and a pick. I'd take that for Kawhi and run.

Concernedcad · Post #232 » by **Concernedcad** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 am

Kawhi is coming.

dukes_wild · Post #233 » by **dukes_wild** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 am

OG has replaced his profile pics on both Twitter/Instagram of him wearing a Raptors jersey to old pics of when he was in Indiana

it's happening.gif?

seren · Post #234 » by **seren** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 am

Raptors as constructed are not going anywhere. Time to shake up things. Even if Kawhi ends up bailing, this is worth the risk. DeRozan/Lowry backcourt needs to be broken

RaptorsLife · Post #235 » by **RaptorsLife** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 am

I don’t know what would be more exciting

Kawhi in raptors jersey or not having to watch Derozan in raptors jersey anymore lol

Chandan · Post #236 » by **Chandan** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:15 am

Asif16 wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:
LakersDynasty14 wrote:He already demanded the Lakers, no one else is gonna trade for him. Lakers just need to wait him out.

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Keep believing that

Toronto is a good trading partner because they don't mind Leonard being a rental because it seems like they want to dump Derozan and start rebuilding since they've plateaued and Boston/Philly will be on top of the east for the foreseeable future. The trade will help both sides imo. Raps would get a legit superstar and a year to convince him but also offload Derozan's contract and can rebuild sooner, Spurs get an all-star in return and probably OG as well, so they offload their disgruntled star while getting a decent player for 3 more season and a solid young player.

If Ujiri really thinks that the Raps can go no further with the Derozan/Lowry core, I would not be surprised to see this happen.

Wow finally a non-raptor fan with a Brain when it comes to talking about the Raptors

the bigger question is why Spur would do this. Derozan has already proven to be somewhat of a loser in the post season. Do they think they can fix his broken 3 point shot or fragile heart in the playoff? Wouldn't the spurs want to start rebuilding themselves instead of trading for someone who has somewhat reached his ceiling as well? They have to be smart enough to know that a derozan core team wouldn't succeed in the west. (in the east at least he can at least bring some regular season wins)

Wolfgang630 · Post #237 » by **Wolfgang630** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:22 am

dukes_wild wrote:OG has replaced his profile pics on both Twitter/Instagram of him wearing a Raptors jersey to old pics of when he was in Indiana

it's happening.gif?

Hmm

bigdamoan2k2 · Post #238 » by **bigdamoan2k2** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:27 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
dukes_wild wrote:OG has replaced his profile pics on both Twitter/Instagram of him wearing a Raptors jersey to old pics of when he was in Indiana

it's happening.gif?

Hmm

I say we take one more go at it with this core. Worst case scenario we go for Kahwi in FA or someone else..

MissileMike · Post #239 » by **MissileMike** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:28 am

It somewhat makes sense for both teams really.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #240 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:06 am

gp2015 wrote:
mademan wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Meh, worse comes to worse Kawhi leaves in a year opening even more caps pace for a max player in 2020 or the Raptors just straight go into tank mode.

Derozan 's contract is effectively 3 years since the third year is a players option which he'll probably pick up.

No, 'worse comes to worse', Kawhi destroys the lockerroom. Much of the raps success has been their culture and chemistry. Throwing in someone who does not want to be there and has already proven to be a malcontent on his original team can destroy everything the Raps have built culture wise.

Kawhi will likely be playing for his last biggest contract of his career. Why would he put that at risk by acting out and playing bad? I wouldn't worry about him next season. Players have their best seasons when they're due for a large contract.

Where has this team culture gotten the Raptors lately? We're blowing it up in 2 seasons or less anyways.

Kawhi is going to get a max from the Lakers no matter what next summer.

He can easily dog it in Toronto next year if he wants.