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The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:15 pm
by clyde21
After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
EDIT: Kyrie doesn't qualify for the supermax, so his 5 year extension would be 187mil. 32.4mil the first year to 42.7mil the last year.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:20 pm
by Dupp
I’m not sure rozier is a full time starting pg but if he is it’s probabky better than keeping kyrie at 200 mil if they can get something for him.
I’d think they’re gonna try keep him though given they traded for him.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:21 pm
by Roland2000
We don't worry about Kyrie. And Kyrie doesn't worry about Boston.
After this season, he is free to make his decisions. He is a fantastic player and I fully wish for him to stay on. However, the minute that he feels the need to leave, then leave. No worries.
One thing everyone has to realize...The Celtics are greater than any One player.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:28 pm
by anish23
Roland2000 wrote:We don't worry about Kyrie. And Kyrie doesn't worry about Boston.
After this season, he is free to make his decisions. He is a fantastic player and I fully wish for him to stay on. However, the minute that he feels the need to leave, then leave. No worries.
One thing everyone has to realize...The Celtics are greater than any One player.
True, but that's cuz you are stacked. LOL.
If they weren't stacked, you won't be saying that.
So its not like the "Celtics" are greater than any one player.
It's more like, "The current stacked situation of Celtics makes it so that they are greater than any one player".
Good for you guys!
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:29 pm
by Gant
The Celtics have rich owners who are willing to spend money to win. They have great numbers guys. They have an extremely deep, very talented team.
The right decisions will be made, and it will all work out.
No worries.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:29 pm
by beantownski
kyrie won't sign now, and lost out on the additional money (who can blame him there). they'll play the season out, and negotiate from there. the Cs championship window is open right now. i would be shocked if they considered trading him (rozier is a great backup, but not a high end starter).
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:34 pm
by mademan
C's shoudlnt trade him, but theyre in a pretty tough spot next year. They should sign Kyrie and try to trade him, imo. Though it'll be a tough sell for future FA to sign on. They wont get much right now and they have an outside shot at a championship, so they shouldnt trade him now.
That said, the C's are about to be in cap and luxury tax hell. They need to be economical with their money; giving 40 mill/year over 5 years to a guy who's ended half his career seasons on the IR is worrying. But whats really the alternative?
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:35 pm
by Baller1234a
clyde21 wrote:After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:36 pm
by Roland2000
anish23 wrote:Roland2000 wrote:We don't worry about Kyrie. And Kyrie doesn't worry about Boston.
After this season, he is free to make his decisions. He is a fantastic player and I fully wish for him to stay on. However, the minute that he feels the need to leave, then leave. No worries.
One thing everyone has to realize...The Celtics are greater than any One player.
True, but that's cuz you are stacked. LOL.
If they weren't stacked, you won't be saying that.
So its not like the "Celtics" are greater than any one player.
It's more like, "The current stacked situation of Celtics makes it so that they are greater than any one player".
Good for you guys!
Fair enough....We have a butt load of great players at the moment. Kyrie is really special though...probably the best handles ever. But he's like a butterfly.....Hold on to him too tight and you'll kill him....Let him free and hope he comes back:
I guess there now are unicorns and butterflys in the NBA.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:37 pm
by Throwback24
Roland2000 wrote:anish23 wrote:Roland2000 wrote:We don't worry about Kyrie. And Kyrie doesn't worry about Boston.
After this season, he is free to make his decisions. He is a fantastic player and I fully wish for him to stay on. However, the minute that he feels the need to leave, then leave. No worries.
One thing everyone has to realize...The Celtics are greater than any One player.
True, but that's cuz you are stacked. LOL.
If they weren't stacked, you won't be saying that.
So its not like the "Celtics" are greater than any one player.
It's more like, "The current stacked situation of Celtics makes it so that they are greater than any one player".
Good for you guys!
Fair enough....We have a butt load of great players at the moment. Kyrie is really special though...probably the best handles ever. But he's like a butterfly.....Hold on to him too tight and you'll kill him....Let him free and hope he comes back:
I guess there now are unicorns and butterflys in the NBA.
^ First unicorn
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:38 pm
by clyde21
Baller1234a wrote:clyde21 wrote:After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:39 pm
by Baller1234a
clyde21 wrote:Baller1234a wrote:clyde21 wrote:After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.
No he won’t. You need 6+ years on the same team (plus some other stuff) or to be 10 years in the league
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:44 pm
by bisme37
clyde21 wrote:Baller1234a wrote:clyde21 wrote:After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.
No he's not eligible for that. Designated Veteran or "Supermax" contracts can only be given to players who are on the team that drafted them or a team that traded for they while they were on their rookie contract. Kyrie knowingly gave the possibly for Supermax up when he requested and received a trade from the Cavs.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:46 pm
by HoopsterJones
Celtics will more than likely let the season play out.
Trading Kyrie is surrendering the season before it began, because no team is going to offer fair value for an oft injured player who can walk after the season or have to pay him big money to stay.
Extension hurts both the Celtics and Kyrie. Celtics would lose cap flexibility next offseason to attempt to sign a max free agent player or trade for the pipe dream target of AD. Kyrie can get more money if he waits to re-sign next offseason with the Celtics for a max contract or relocate to a new team. These NBA stars love to be wined and dined and being chased after like the hot girl at the club.
Only logical conclusion is they play it out and see if they got what it takes to beat the GSW.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:48 pm
by Ballerhogger
I think he ends up staying there for right now. Really have to see how well he comes back from his injury.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:48 pm
by Homerclease
clyde21 wrote:Baller1234a wrote:clyde21 wrote:After this season he's on a $21mil PO in which he will decline and become a FA.
Note that after this season, Terry Rozier will also be a RFA with a cap hold of over $9mil, Jaylen Brown will be on the last year of his rookie contract expecting a max deal, and Jayson Tatum two years after that. Gordon Hayward will still be owed over $66mil.
Kyrie's max deal for the Celtics is a 5 yr $219.2mil contract, which would start at $37.8mil in 19-20 and a whopping $49.8mil in 22-23.
With that in mind, how should the Celtics approach this situation?
His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.
Kyrie is not supermax eligible. Takes literally 30 seconds of research before creating this thread. Simple answer is though that if Kyrie is healthy then the Celtics will offer the max
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:49 pm
by Dupp
188/5 is a lot better than 220/5 sobthat changes my view a little.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:51 pm
by clyde21
bisme37 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Baller1234a wrote:His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M
No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.
No he's not eligible for that. Designated Veteran or "Supermax" contracts can only be given to players who are on the team that drafted them or a team that traded for they while they were on their rookie contract. Kyrie knowingly gave the possibly for Supermax up when he requested and received a trade from the Cavs.
Okay, noted. 5/187 deal. Still a hefty a commitment.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:54 pm
by Topher
Dupp wrote:188/5 is a lot better than 220/5 sobthat changes my view a little.
Re: The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon
Posted: Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:54 pm
by bisme37
This whole thing is so goofy to me. The Kyrie is leaving Boston thing started when a random reporter in Chicago said Kyrie and Jimmy Butler are friendly with each other. Then another random reporter said several years ago while on the Cavs Kyrie mentioned in passing to a teammate that he would be open to playing for the Knicks at some point in his career. And that was all that was needed for NY fans and media to turn this into Kyrie is going to the Knicks. And now the Nets fans and media are in on it too, I guess. Seriously, that's the whole thing... he knows Jimmy Butler and does not hate the city of New York.
I don't think there's anything there, is what I'm trying to say. He won't take an extension now because it will cost him a lot of money. That's how almost everyone plays it and it is not unusual or cause for alarm. The C's will eventually offer him a max contract and dude will do what he wants to do. I am confident what he wants to do is stay in Boston where he has a great coach, great group of guys around him, and a great chance to win. He's done or said nothing to make one think he is unhappy or looking to make a change. So I don't see any more worry with him than any other free agent.