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Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:51 pm
by fortinbras
Thank you, San Antonio by Tony Parker

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/tony-parker-san-antonio-spurs


the biggest reason why Spurs Culture exists … this is pretty simple, isn’t it? We had one of the best players of all time, for 19 seasons, in Tim. But the thing with Tim is that he wasn’t only the greatest player for those years. He was also the greatest teammate


People would always ask about why the guys on our teams were so coachable — about how we always seemed to squeeze nearly the best results possible from any player who came through our organization.

the thing that set us apart the most in these situations? It’s Timmy, man. It really was Timmy. Simple as that


Timmy was the most coachable great player of all time

It’s like he was challenging everyone else in our gym: The best player in the entire league is willing to put his ego aside for the good of this team — are you?

That was always our secret weapon, to me: You see this all-world player, this All-NBA First Team, MVP of the Finals, about to be MVP of the league guy, and here he is in practice, willing to be coached like he’s fighting for a spot on the team. It was unreal. And if you think that’s too passive for a star player to be? Well, then you’re not thinking it through on Tim’s level. Because Tim knew the truth: which was that to let himself be coached in this way, you know … that’s true charisma, and that’s true swagger.


And that was the deal, you know? Guys would come in, take a look around, and eventually they would do as Tim does.

That was Spurs Culture.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:53 pm
by Mr.Raptorsingh
Stephen Jackson basically said the same thing, albeit with profanity, but still lol.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:53 pm
by VancouverRaps
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Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:56 pm
by Childs
Great player, just personally don't like him. I would caution that the Charlotte players protect their wives and girlfriends.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:57 pm
by TheNewEra
Telling especially at one point Tim Duncan was almost out the door if not for Doc Rivers. Dynasties have a lot of luck to them.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:00 pm
by LascelleL
I miss Tim

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:09 pm
by bwgood77
NUCKER101 wrote:Image


Duncan was who made Pop who he was as a coach as well.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:10 pm
by Wallace_Wallace
Childs wrote:Great player, just personally don't like him. I would caution that the Charlotte players protect their wives and girlfriends.


MJ better play some good defense!

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:11 pm
by draftnightsuit
This is pretty much the final nail that confirms that the Spurs were great because of Timmy, not Pop.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:18 pm
by Dupp
draftnightsuit wrote:This is pretty much the final nail that confirms that the Spurs were great because of Timmy, not Pop.



Wut. The team was still coached.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:20 pm
by LoyalKing
I've been saying it for years on this board. 2 former Spurs champions saying basically the same thing tells you a lot.

Popovich's military style would never work if he had to handle egomaniacs like Kobe, Shaq or MJ. Heck, he couldn't even handle Kawhi and his annoying uncle after Timmy retired. Imagine having to deal with Kobe and Shaq or MJ and Pip.

I still like the Spurs but we all knew that SA's dynasty was over the moment Duncan retired.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:26 pm
by Mister Ze
Tough to imagine what the Spurs would look like today had Tim not been drafted by them...

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:27 pm
by lambchop
Childs wrote:Great player, just personally don't like him. I would caution that the Charlotte players protect their wives and girlfriends.


like the players and their wives and girlfriends aren't already cheating in 2018...

I dont see this as a knock on Pop, but definitely even more appreciation for Duncan.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:56 pm
by kaulkhara15
Duncan has to be up there as far as greatest teammate and leader of all time.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 10:59 pm
by G R E Y
fortinbras wrote:Thank you, San Antonio by Tony Parker

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/tony-parker-san-antonio-spurs


the biggest reason why Spurs Culture exists … this is pretty simple, isn’t it? We had one of the best players of all time, for 19 seasons, in Tim. But the thing with Tim is that he wasn’t only the greatest player for those years. He was also the greatest teammate


People would always ask about why the guys on our teams were so coachable — about how we always seemed to squeeze nearly the best results possible from any player who came through our organization.

the thing that set us apart the most in these situations? It’s Timmy, man. It really was Timmy. Simple as that


Timmy was the most coachable great player of all time

It’s like he was challenging everyone else in our gym: The best player in the entire league is willing to put his ego aside for the good of this team — are you?

That was always our secret weapon, to me: You see this all-world player, this All-NBA First Team, MVP of the Finals, about to be MVP of the league guy, and here he is in practice, willing to be coached like he’s fighting for a spot on the team. It was unreal. And if you think that’s too passive for a star player to be? Well, then you’re not thinking it through on Tim’s level. Because Tim knew the truth: which was that to let himself be coached in this way, you know … that’s true charisma, and that’s true swagger.


And that was the deal, you know? Guys would come in, take a look around, and eventually they would do as Tim does.

That was Spurs Culture.



(EDIT: About the bold part: Tim was the consummate example because he followed principles put in place - and that still are in place - by Pop. The Spurs Way is other guys doing what the best guy did. This has been and is being passed on from one generation to the next.)

Well, that certainly was one of the things Tony said, yes. But in the interest of not just isolating quotes to skew a point, here are some others:

The veterans took me under their wing right away. They just always made room for it — and I don’t mean in these huge, obvious, “stop everything and teach the French kid about the meaning of life” kind of ways. Just very subtle things: a quick lesson here, a short conversation there.

With a guy like David … I mean, it was just amazing to see. You have this first-ballot Hall of Famer, and he’s in the middle of another championship run — and yet somehow he is not viewing me, this young guy getting brought along at the same time, as a burden. With David, and with the other veteran players on the Spurs, it always felt like this was just the natural way of things. Everyone had their expectation of winning championships. But then they also had this other responsibility, that they valued just as much, of, like … leaving the team in better shape than when they found it. And that’s Spurs Culture, to me, you know? Fulfilling your expectations, while also making room for this larger responsibility to the whole.

It’s hard to explain what makes Pop such a special leader. Of course, there’s the stuff you know: He’s a genius communicator, a sharp Xs-and-Os thinker, a brilliant motivator, and an all-around great guy. But I think what makes him unique as an NBA coach are his principles: the way that he established them from the start — and then the way that he has stuck to them ever since....

You see what I’m saying?

Here’s the thing, though, with all those experiences, both the “good” ones and the “bad” ones: They all made me a better player — and they all made me a better person. And that’s just Pop, man. That’s what makes him so special. It’s no B.S. when he’s giving you these words of encouragement … and it’s no B.S. when he’s giving you these words of criticism. When he’s starting you, when he’s benching you, when he’s handing you the keys to the offense, or even when he’s shopping the keys around in free agency to someone else … man, you’re still getting the same Pop, operating on the same principle, every time. And that principle is: anything that happens on his watch, it happens for one reason and one reason only. The good of the Spurs.

I think this is why you see the Spurs, as an organization, just being so good at juggling a lot of these big names, a lot of these great players, all at the same time. Because whoever the guy is, it doesn’t matter — the question never changes. It’s always that same Pop question: What will happen here so it’s for the good of the Spurs?....

All we wanted, in the end, was to win titles together. That’s all that mattered. It was Pop’s way, which meant it was our way.

Which meant it was the Spurs Way.


Funny how that fleshes out the Spurs Way a bit more, doesn't it? When Tony arrived, it was already in place. When Timmy arrived before him it was already in place. There is no doubting and no minimizing their roles in instilling and maintaining it as an example for all others to follow. Still, even after they're no longer on the team, the Spurs Way is still here. And those who do not display the character to emulate it, no matter how talented, are not here either.

The larger point Tony is making in the whole heartfelt piece is the collective, guided by a set of principles, put themselves aside for the greater goal, and that they all played an integral part in that. You do need the right guys to keep it going (and weed out those who don't). Ask Pop and he'll also say it was Timmy. Ask Timmy and he'll say it's Pop. See what I mean? It's the same principle reciprocated. It's about getting the best out of themselves for 'the other guy' and making sure every guy is in it for that. The principles remain even if eras change. We've got a good group to keep it going.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 11:11 pm
by Capn'O
I miss Tim too.

I don't know why there's this recent effort to discredit Pop but it's ridiculous. Pop is a great coach and he and Duncan were a perfect match.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 11:41 pm
by Baphomet
Pretty selective with the quotes there, OP, it almost seems like you have some kind of axe to grind with Pop, doesn't it?

Parker explains in length in the article why Pop is a special coach and how he might not have made the league were it not for his faith in him. He also explicitly says: "If Tim was the driving force of the program we built - I'd have to say Pop was a close second." It's a good article, and I hope people take the time to read it.

I don't understand why certain people view these issues in such a binary fashion (not referring to Parker here, but certain critics of Pop and the Spurs organisation). Tim Duncan is the Spurs culture or Popovich is the Spurs culture. Why can't both be true? With the most successful teams throughout NBA history, great players and great coaches go hand-in-hand. Looking at things like "Tim Duncan is the Spurs culture, therefore Pop is overrated/a charlatan" is so myopic and frankly disrespectful.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Mon Aug 6, 2018 11:56 pm
by Texas Chuck
I mean Pop said over and over that Tim Duncan was the Spurs so I don't see how this is insulting to Pop. Obviously both of them plus ownership played huge roles in making the Spurs the class of the league forever.

But in terms of their on-court success I'm not hearing any arguments against Duncan being far and away the most important factor. And I say that as one who thinks David Robinson is the 2nd best defensive player of all-time, thinks Pop is the best coach in the league, and that Manu was stupidly underrated.

but Timmy is why they were a legit contender for 20 years.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Tue Aug 7, 2018 12:45 am
by lobosloboslobos
Texas Chuck wrote:I mean Pop said over and over that Tim Duncan was the Spurs so I don't see how this is insulting to Pop. Obviously both of them plus ownership played huge roles in making the Spurs the class of the league forever.

But in terms of their on-court success I'm not hearing any arguments against Duncan being far and away the most important factor. And I say that as one who thinks David Robinson is the 2nd best defensive player of all-time, thinks Pop is the best coach in the league, and that Manu was stupidly underrated.

but Timmy is why they were a legit contender for 20 years.


we can all agree to that i think. and there aren't many statements on the GB I'd dare to say that about.

Re: Tony Parker: "Tim Duncan was the Spurs culture"

Posted: Tue Aug 7, 2018 12:53 am
by SwatLakeCity527
Tim and Pop are both legends. Sure Tim was a great teammate, super humble and helped develop his team mates, but just like in any organization, culture starts at the top. I guarantee you Pop is also a great "teammate" to his coaching staff, is humble enough to be open to feedback, and I know for a FACT that he developed his coaching staff better than anyone else in the league for years.

It takes more than 1 person to win a chip. Trying to lump responsibility of all of the Spurs rings onto one player or coach is ridiculous, not to mention a vast oversimplification.