RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#25 2018-19

Crunch 99 · Post #41 » by **Crunch 99** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 pm

Nominate Drummond.

Infinite Llamas · Post #42 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:08 pm

Damn, feels like deRozan has been on this list forever. He’s like the guy plucked early from the crowd on The Price is Right but can never win the first challenge so he stays at that podium the whole game lol

Post #43 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:10 pm

yanuary wrote:wowow, nominate Tatum ASAP, its a shame that Simmons is #22, when Tatum is much better player, and better prospect.

Lol Tatum is neither of those things, and to attach the word "much" is verging on insanity.

Sandman88 · Post #44 » by **Sandman88** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:13 pm

How is Jrue Holiday not getting enough votes? He is better than Mitchell because yeah I factor defense in my assessments too

babyjax13 · Post #45 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

I went with Aldridge. Mitchell will pass him soon, but Aldridge should probably be even higher than he is.

Post #46 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Sandman88 wrote:How is Jrue Holiday not getting enough votes? He is better than Mitchell because yeah I factor defense in my assessments too

I agree Jrue>Mitchell at this point (despite Mitchell having a higher ceiling). LMA and Kemba are worthy considerations as well.

lakerz12 · Post #47 » by **lakerz12** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Cappy_Smurf wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
Mitchell is unproven in comparison, having only played one year. If he improves he will be the best choice.

Lol. Go ahead and compare Mitchell's rookie season to any season Haywood has played. Better pick one of his last 2 seasons though, as Mitchell blows all of his other seasons out of the water. Mitchell's rookie year was comparable to Haywood's best season out of 6. Haywood will also be coming back from a serious injury, so it's anybody's guess whether or not he'll ever be as good as his last season.

Haywood probably won't even be the next celtic picked here. That will be Horford.

Mitchell's rookie season was also comparable to Tyreke Evans'.

Hayward broke his ankle. That's not something that lingers with you your entire career. Once it heals, it's healed. 2 months ago it was reported that he was already working out 3 times a day. If he's not back to his previous form by the middle of the season, it will be a surprise.

I can understand choosing Mitchell. I think it is a close call. All I am saying is we have a much bigger data sample to see Hayward's value. And as someone else already noted Horford was already chosen.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #48 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:01 pm

Asif16 wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:
Asif16 wrote:This is between Mitchell and Aldridge imo.

Decided to go with Mitchell here. Probably gonna choose Aldridge next

Umm

Wassup?

The poll goes to 25 players. Can you not read

Asif16 · Post #49 » by **Asif16** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:04 pm

Alonzo_Morning wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:
Umm

Wassup?

The poll goes to 25 players. Can you not read

OP is going to extend it to top 50. He said it on the last thread

Alonzo_Morning · Post #50 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:06 pm

Asif16 wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Wassup?

The poll goes to 25 players. Can you not read

OP is going to extend it to top 50. He said it on the last thread

Have been following but didn't see that. My apologies

lakerz12 · Post #51 » by **lakerz12** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:18 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:It's crazy that I literally had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell. He already shoots the ball better than a prime D-Wade and plays better D than a prime Kobe.

Really...

Mitchell: 20.5 pts on .506 eFG%, .541 TS%, 16.7 PER
Prime Wade: 30.2 pts, .516 eFG%, .574 TS%, 30.4 PER

He almost doubled his PER for goodness sakes. Maybe your post was sarcasm, in which case the joke is on me.

Are you saying Mitchell "shoots the ball better" because he makes more 3s? He takes 7 per game. That's a game style change. If Wade took 7 per game and focused on 3s he would have made a similar amount. But he had a far superior midrange game.

And better D than a prime Kobe...LOL. Prime Kobe averaged more steals, blks and had higher DWS. Kobe was a lock down defender in his prime and had more length than Mitchell.

Just let DMitch do his thing...saying he's better than these all time greats is just too much too soon. Although I understand you may just be joking, exaggerating, or trolling.

Rubio9Guy · Post #52 » by **Rubio9Guy** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:21 pm

Jokic at 12 has me rolling

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Catchall · Post #53 » by **Catchall** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:41 pm

I went with Mitchell because I'm a bit of a homer. I think DeRozan, LMA and Blake Griffin are all reasonable picks.

iggymcfrack · Post #54 » by **iggymcfrack** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:00 pm

lakerz12 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:It's crazy that I literally had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell. He already shoots the ball better than a prime D-Wade and plays better D than a prime Kobe.

Really...

Mitchell: 20.5 pts on .506 eFG%, .541 TS%, 16.7 PER
Prime Wade: 30.2 pts, .516 eFG%, .574 TS%, 30.4 PER

He almost doubled his PER for goodness sakes. Maybe your post was sarcasm, in which case the joke is on me.

Are you saying Mitchell "shoots the ball better" because he makes more 3s? He takes 7 per game. That's a game style change. If Wade took 7 per game and focused on 3s he would have made a similar amount. But he had a far superior midrange game.

And better D than a prime Kobe...LOL. Prime Kobe averaged more steals and had higher DWS. Kobe was a lock down defender in his prime and had more length than Mitchell.

Just let DMitch do his thing...saying he's better than these all time greats is just too much too soon. Although I understand you may just be joking, exaggerating, or trolling.

Wade got a ton of those points at the rim. Mitchell’s FT% beats Wade every year of his career but one and he’s much more dangerous from 3.

lakerz12 · Post #55 » by **lakerz12** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:07 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:It's crazy that I literally had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell. He already shoots the ball better than a prime D-Wade and plays better D than a prime Kobe.

Really...

Mitchell: 20.5 pts on .506 eFG%, .541 TS%, 16.7 PER
Prime Wade: 30.2 pts, .516 eFG%, .574 TS%, 30.4 PER

He almost doubled his PER for goodness sakes. Maybe your post was sarcasm, in which case the joke is on me.

Are you saying Mitchell "shoots the ball better" because he makes more 3s? He takes 7 per game. That's a game style change. If Wade took 7 per game and focused on 3s he would have made a similar amount. But he had a far superior midrange game.

And better D than a prime Kobe...LOL. Prime Kobe averaged more steals and had higher DWS. Kobe was a lock down defender in his prime and had more length than Mitchell.

Just let DMitch do his thing...saying he's better than these all time greats is just too much too soon. Although I understand you may just be joking, exaggerating, or trolling.

Wade got a ton of those points at the rim. Mitchell’s FT% beats Wade every year of his career but one and he’s much more dangerous from 3.

Mitchell's FT% in 1 year is 3-4% better than Wade's career average...not a very compelling fact. His 3 PT% is notably higher than Wade's. I will give you that. But again, sort of an unfair comparison given that Wade's era did not focus on 3 PT shooting.

The bottom line is, to say you "had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell"? Why?? No chance...there are many shooting guards he still needs to get close to before you start comparing him to MJ.

Post #56 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:47 pm

Mitchell was great last year down the stretch and should only get better. Hayward was better overall the year before.

Surprised Conley isn't on there. He was better than both last time he played.

This is a tough one. Aldridge doesn't really wow me but he should be considered.

I think any of those four could be chosen, but given that Mitchell is more likely to take the largest leap, considering the others are older and/or coming back from injuries, I'll go Mitchell.

I would add Conley to next poll.

rcc8884 · Post #57 » by **rcc8884** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:42 pm

Bump for more votes

iggymcfrack · Post #58 » by **iggymcfrack** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:01 am

Sandman88 wrote:How is Jrue Holiday not getting enough votes? He is better than Mitchell because yeah I factor defense in my assessments too

That’s kind of a snarky thing to say when Mitchell was an above average defender as a rookie who got way better over the course of the season. He’s probably going to be one of the better wing defenders in the league next season. Obviously Jrue’s better on that end, but they’re not far enough apart for you to imply people who like Mitchell are ignoring defense.

iggymcfrack · Post #59 » by **iggymcfrack** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:06 am

lakerz12 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
Really...

Mitchell: 20.5 pts on .506 eFG%, .541 TS%, 16.7 PER
Prime Wade: 30.2 pts, .516 eFG%, .574 TS%, 30.4 PER

He almost doubled his PER for goodness sakes. Maybe your post was sarcasm, in which case the joke is on me.

Are you saying Mitchell "shoots the ball better" because he makes more 3s? He takes 7 per game. That's a game style change. If Wade took 7 per game and focused on 3s he would have made a similar amount. But he had a far superior midrange game.

And better D than a prime Kobe...LOL. Prime Kobe averaged more steals and had higher DWS. Kobe was a lock down defender in his prime and had more length than Mitchell.

Just let DMitch do his thing...saying he's better than these all time greats is just too much too soon. Although I understand you may just be joking, exaggerating, or trolling.

Wade got a ton of those points at the rim. Mitchell’s FT% beats Wade every year of his career but one and he’s much more dangerous from 3.

Mitchell's FT% in 1 year is 3-4% better than Wade's career average...not a very compelling fact. His 3 PT% is notably higher than Wade's. I will give you that. But again, sort of an unfair comparison given that Wade's era did not focus on 3 PT shooting.

The bottom line is, to say you "had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell"? Why?? No chance...there are many shooting guards he still needs to get close to before you start comparing him to MJ.

Wade’s era? You mean like 5 years ago? He was probably like one of 2 starting shooting guards in the entire league who didn’t have a reliable 3-pointer in his arsenal. Also, on long 2s (16+ feet), Mitchell shot 44.5% last year. Wade for his career is 38.7%. Never shot as high as Mitchell one season in his career. It’s just verifiably false to say Wade was ever as good of a shooter as Mitchell.

lakerz12 · Post #60 » by **lakerz12** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:34 am

iggymcfrack wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
Wade got a ton of those points at the rim. Mitchell’s FT% beats Wade every year of his career but one and he’s much more dangerous from 3.

Mitchell's FT% in 1 year is 3-4% better than Wade's career average...not a very compelling fact. His 3 PT% is notably higher than Wade's. I will give you that. But again, sort of an unfair comparison given that Wade's era did not focus on 3 PT shooting.

The bottom line is, to say you "had to go to JORDAN to find a complimentary SG comparison for Mitchell"? Why?? No chance...there are many shooting guards he still needs to get close to before you start comparing him to MJ.

Wade’s era? You mean like 5 years ago? He was probably like one of 2 starting shooting guards in the entire league who didn’t have a reliable 3-pointer in his arsenal. Also, on long 2s (16+ feet), Mitchell shot 44.5% last year. Wade for his career is 38.7%. Never shot as high as Mitchell one season in his career. It’s just verifiably false to say Wade was ever as good of a shooter as Mitchell.

So you mean outside shooter?

You're basing this all on one ONE season of Mitchell, for the record.

Wade's prime ended around 2012. And he entered the league in 2003. So I'm pointing out the fact that during his entire upbringing and college years, the 3 point shot was not so heavily emphasized.

Either way, if you look at the two players as a whole, prime Wade is FAR superior to rookie year Mitchell. Talk to me when Mitchell puts up 30 PPG, 7.5 ast, 5 rebs, 2.2 stls, 1.3 blks on good efficiency.

I'm not even a big Wade fan but it's insulting to compare rookie Mitchell to prime Wade.