Theory on Fultz and his TOS.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I don’t know how close you guys have been paying attention, but to me, when you take into account the fact that he was in a motorcycle crash, he went to 10 specialists via 76ers organization, and he was diagnosed after he lawyered up.

I think he didn’t trust the 76ers with the information that he indeed did get hurt in the motorcycle. Did he hide a hurt rib? Are 76ers hiding that he was hurt in said motorcycle crash and just doesn’t want to say anything about it in public?

TOS has been diagnosed in athletes after finding fractures in the rib.


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It's now a fact that he was in a motorcycle crash?

When was the crash?

Where?

What did he crash into?

What were his injuries?

You post this in every Fultz thread and never respond to my questions. You must understand why I question your agenda

[TheRealKaboom]

I don’t know how close you guys have been paying attention, but to me, when you take into account the fact that he was in a motorcycle crash, he went to 10 specialists via 76ers organization, and he was diagnosed after he lawyered up.

I think he didn’t trust the 76ers with the information that he indeed did get hurt in the motorcycle. Did he hide a hurt rib? Are 76ers hiding that he was hurt in said motorcycle crash and just doesn’t want to say anything about it in public?

TOS has been diagnosed in athletes after finding fractures in the rib.


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It's now a fact that he was in a motorcycle crash?

When was the crash?

Where?

What did he crash into?

What were his injuries?

You post this in every Fultz thread and never respond to my questions. You must understand why I question your agenda

I just find it hysterical that whenever I ask simple questions about how Fultz was physically injured, the thread immediately goes dark.

Crickets.

It's almost a game at this point.

I challenge all of RealGM to answer a couple simple questions about Fultz' physical injury:

When did it happen?

Where?

How?

What was the diagnosis?

Now watch this thread go dark in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

[Kabookalu]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

It doesn't happen more often, because TOS is a rare disease.

But you are right, it can be embarrassing to have a disease that is not easily diagnosed, while everyone is making fun of you, and even doctors are failing you.

That seems more obvious, since that's what we know. The mental stuff is just assumed, and you know what they say about assumptions.

Wanted to clear up TOS isn't a disease. It's a disease as much as a broken bone is a disease.

[GeorgeMarcus]

It's now a fact that he was in a motorcycle crash?

When was the crash?

Where?

What did he crash into?

What were his injuries?

You post this in every Fultz thread and never respond to my questions. You must understand why I question your agenda

I just find it hysterical that whenever I ask simple questions about how Fultz was physically injured, the thread immediately goes dark.

Crickets.

It's almost a game at this point.

I challenge all of RealGM to answer a couple simple questions about Fultz' physical injury:

When did it happen?

Where?

How?

What was the diagnosis?

Now watch this thread go dark in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

I can't answer your questions about the alleged motorcycle crash and neither can anyone else on the forum. I don't understand why you post this like it's some kind of "ah ha!" revelation that exposes Fultz. I feel strongly that the root cause is neurological whether or not a motorcycle has anything to do with it.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

It doesn't happen more often, because TOS is a rare disease.

But you are right, it can be embarrassing to have a disease that is not easily diagnosed, while everyone is making fun of you, and even doctors are failing you.

That seems more obvious, since that's what we know. The mental stuff is just assumed, and you know what they say about assumptions.

Wanted to clear up TOS isn't a disease. It's a disease as much as a broken bone is a disease.

Thanks, I wasn't being careful with my words.

[Chris76]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

Grueling schedule and getting acclimated to the NBA doesn’t explain why his stationary shooting form is the only part of his game that’s been affected. Neurogenic TOS is a much better explanation.

Good points. Fultz can shoot jump shots, it's only set shots and free throws that he is struggling with. Probably, it's a combination of TOS and the Yips.

The yips are difficult to understand. It's not like a switch that you can control. The most difficult thing with them is that it affects being able to practice.

Eventually, Fultz will abandon shooting a set shot or using a low release, like Steph Curry. Maybe he can revisit it in the future, but now he needs to prove he can be productive.

Fultz was averaging 8/4/4 with being reluctant to shoot and limited mins. His defense was improving and the Sixers could use a defensive specialist on quick PGs.

[bisme37]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

Grueling schedule and getting acclimated to the NBA doesn’t explain why his stationary shooting form is the only part of his game that’s been affected. Neurogenic TOS is a much better explanation.

Wait, I'm surprised no one has taken issue with this. His shooting form is NOT the only part of his game that's been bad.

I'm not trying to make trouble, honestly. I do think there is a medical issue causing problems with the shoulder and the shooting form. TOS, apparently. But his issues have become much more than just bad shooting. He's struggled with dribbling, passing, and in general looking like an NBA player (not to mention he's supposed to look like the #1 pick, not just a player.)

I don't know why it has to be one or the other, physical or mental. It is quite obviously both. The physical issues have caused the mental issues, and now both must be overcome.

[Stillwater]

I doubt there was a cover up by PHILLY here. I think their docs were inept and didn't recognize the potential for this type of diagnosis.
I think if anything Fultz' camp was seeking outside treatment options esp if Fultz was claiming it wasn't mental and exploring the potential for their being possible rare conditions that could be used as an excuse to buy Fultz some time to get his brand back...and oops they actually found the real problem is rare and they are not just rolling out bs but he is actually being treated for this reported condition.BUT... most people with his form of it NEED surgery so the optimistic presser about 3-6weeks return has to be bs.

[2LeTTeRS]

Do the Sixers even want to void his contract though? They knew what they had when they excercised his option for next season. I get that they probably want out of that commitment now that they have Butler and want to use every scrap of capspace to bring a 4th star but just don't see it holding up in court before July (and let's be real any ruling after then when the max worthy stars sign [i.e. Kemba Walker, Kris Middleton, Tobias Harris, etc.] means nothing).

[Axolotl]

This seems to be the root of the motorcycle accident rumour:

Read on Twitter

I couldn't find anything before or after that claiming to have a source saying this, or confirming the claim. And even this guy says he was told "by someone in the know". So what we have is one guy saying one guy told him so.

[GeorgeMarcus]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

Grueling schedule and getting acclimated to the NBA doesn’t explain why his stationary shooting form is the only part of his game that’s been affected. Neurogenic TOS is a much better explanation.

Wait, I'm surprised no one has taken issue with this. His shooting form is NOT the only part of his game that's been bad.

I'm not trying to make trouble, honestly. I do think there is a medical issue causing problems with the shoulder and the shooting form. TOS, apparently. But his issues have become much more than just bad shooting. He's struggled with dribbling, passing, and in general looking like an NBA player (not to mention he's supposed to look like the #1 pick, not just a player.)

I don't know why it has to be one or the other, physical or mental. It is quite obviously both. The physical issues have caused the mental issues, and now both must be overcome.

Totally disagree with your assessment. His ball-handling was fine (above average if anything) and for most of the season Embiid was playing better with Fultz than he was with Simmons. He did a lot of great things on the court, and a set shot would open up his game considerably. Especially not trying to avoid contact when driving.

[bisme37]

Grueling schedule and getting acclimated to the NBA doesn’t explain why his stationary shooting form is the only part of his game that’s been affected. Neurogenic TOS is a much better explanation.

Wait, I'm surprised no one has taken issue with this. His shooting form is NOT the only part of his game that's been bad.

I'm not trying to make trouble, honestly. I do think there is a medical issue causing problems with the shoulder and the shooting form. TOS, apparently. But his issues have become much more than just bad shooting. He's struggled with dribbling, passing, and in general looking like an NBA player (not to mention he's supposed to look like the #1 pick, not just a player.)

I don't know why it has to be one or the other, physical or mental. It is quite obviously both. The physical issues have caused the mental issues, and now both must be overcome.

Totally disagree with your assessment. His ball-handling was fine (above average if anything) and for most of the season Embiid was playing better with Fultz than he was with Simmons. He did a lot of great things on the court, and a set shot would open up his game considerably. Especially not trying to avoid contact when driving.

I just can't imagine Sixers fans honestly feel that if he comes back shooting league average that alone makes him look like a lottery pick. He's struggling all over the court, with focus, confidence, and just making simple basketball plays. There is much more to rebuild here than just a shoulder.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Wait, I'm surprised no one has taken issue with this. His shooting form is NOT the only part of his game that's been bad.

I'm not trying to make trouble, honestly. I do think there is a medical issue causing problems with the shoulder and the shooting form. TOS, apparently. But his issues have become much more than just bad shooting. He's struggled with dribbling, passing, and in general looking like an NBA player (not to mention he's supposed to look like the #1 pick, not just a player.)

I don't know why it has to be one or the other, physical or mental. It is quite obviously both. The physical issues have caused the mental issues, and now both must be overcome.

Totally disagree with your assessment. His ball-handling was fine (above average if anything) and for most of the season Embiid was playing better with Fultz than he was with Simmons. He did a lot of great things on the court, and a set shot would open up his game considerably. Especially not trying to avoid contact when driving.

I just can't imagine Sixers fans honestly feel that if he comes back shooting league average that alone makes him look like a lottery pick. He's struggling all over the court, with focus, confidence, and just making simple basketball plays. There is much more to rebuild here than just a shoulder.

I don’t see where you’re getting this from? His TO% is better than league average. He was always aggressive defensively, was great operating in transition, and was better at running PnR’s than Ben. He didn’t look comfortable playing off ball but that’s hardly surprising coming from a ball-dominant PG who lost his ability to take set shots. The consensus among Sixers fans is that Fultz + a respectable set shot is a force to be reckoned with.

[the_process]

This seems to be the root of the motorcycle accident rumour:

Read on Twitter

I couldn't find anything before or after that claiming to have a source saying this, or confirming the claim. And even this guy says he was told "by someone in the know". So what we have is one guy saying one guy told him so.

Exactly. This rumor has been going around for over a year. There is plenty of evidence out there that contradicts some kind of of bad injury.

He has the yips. The Sixers still aren't giving him away.

[azcatz11]

From what I understand - the motorcycle accident rumor came about from a yahoo article where he was described as being in love with dirt bikes and BMX. This was before the draft.

[JAYZGOAT]

Wait, I'm surprised no one has taken issue with this. His shooting form is NOT the only part of his game that's been bad.

I'm not trying to make trouble, honestly. I do think there is a medical issue causing problems with the shoulder and the shooting form. TOS, apparently. But his issues have become much more than just bad shooting. He's struggled with dribbling, passing, and in general looking like an NBA player (not to mention he's supposed to look like the #1 pick, not just a player.)

I don't know why it has to be one or the other, physical or mental. It is quite obviously both. The physical issues have caused the mental issues, and now both must be overcome.

Totally disagree with your assessment. His ball-handling was fine (above average if anything) and for most of the season Embiid was playing better with Fultz than he was with Simmons. He did a lot of great things on the court, and a set shot would open up his game considerably. Especially not trying to avoid contact when driving.

I just can't imagine Sixers fans honestly feel that if he comes back shooting league average that alone makes him look like a lottery pick. He's struggling all over the court, with focus, confidence, and just making simple basketball plays. There is much more to rebuild here than just a shoulder.

You have not watched Fultz then. He hustles, plays defense, is good at making plays. Besides the jumpshot, he's as advertised. Fultz with a respectable jumper is likely the player everyone thought he would be.

[nolang1]

i think it's obvious it is all mental and was looking for a physical excuse because theres a bigger stigma associated with mental issues.

likely not able to acclimate to the grueling schedule of a pro athlete constantly traveling and even bigger having a hard time coping with the fact that he is going up against superior players on a nightly basis and he is often times the worst guy on the floor. Likely used to dominating effortlessly such as in high school, AAU, college just because of physical gifts. these top tier basketball prospects are coddled like no other athletes IMO so i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. even the way the Sixers are handling it they are treating him like an infant, if i was him i would honestly be embarrassed.

Grueling schedule and getting acclimated to the NBA doesn’t explain why his stationary shooting form is the only part of his game that’s been affected. Neurogenic TOS is a much better explanation.

Good points. Fultz can shoot jump shots, it's only set shots and free throws that he is struggling with. Probably, it's a combination of TOS and the Yips.

The yips are difficult to understand. It's not like a switch that you can control. The most difficult thing with them is that it affects being able to practice.

Eventually, Fultz will abandon shooting a set shot or using a low release, like Steph Curry. Maybe he can revisit it in the future, but now he needs to prove he can be productive.

Fultz was averaging 8/4/4 with being reluctant to shoot and limited mins. His defense was improving and the Sixers could use a defensive specialist on quick PGs.

This whole "his jump shot looks fine so it's clearly all in his head" gets brought up a lot but the reality is that 1) the vast majority of his jumpers that have looked good are fadeaways or leaners that allow him to get his shoulder at an angle where it wouldn't hurt and 2) his actual accuracy on the shots he takes (there are dozens of players with a worse TS% than him) is far less a concern than his apprehension towards shooting them in the first place or making aggressive moves that would result in him getting to the line more. He could be a 75% free throw shooter this year and it would make a minimal difference in terms of his actual on-court impact (he'd be averaging 0.3 more points per game), but I guess to the idiots who conclude that he's one of the worst players in the NBA based on some viral clips of him looking awkward while missing a free throw it would make a world of difference.

If he's feeling any sort of pain when he shoots it (even if it's something where he has to move his shoulder 'just right' and it only happens a small percentage of the time) then obviously it will lead to worse performance in a situation like free throw shooting where he's not able to shoot the way that is less likely to cause pain and has time to feel apprehensive about it.

Now you can get into a semantic argument about whether you think that's the yips or being mentally weak or whatever you want to call it, but it seems like common sense that trying to do something about the root cause of the pain is a better solution than trying to get someone to just accept that shooting a basketball is going to be painful a certain percentage of the time and that even though there's no way of predicting which times will be painful, they should just ignore that and shoot it the same way every time.

[getrichordie]

Why is everyone acting like it’s so hard to connect the dots and read in-between the lines on this one?

It’s almost as if Fultz’s agent/attorney is on here using multiple accounts to defend his client.

LOL


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[michaelm]

Why is everyone acting like it’s so hard to connect the dots and read in-between the lines on this one?

It’s almost as if Fultz’s agent/attorney is on here using multiple accounts to defend his client.

LOL


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Perhaps there are people who don’t care to join a lynch mob.

[MeloRoseNoah]

There's nothing wrong with him. He just sucks at basketball.