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The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:58 am
by jbk1234
Per Wiretap
After the game, Barnes said "I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing or what I'm not doing. Still haven't got any answers from that. Maybe [NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe] can give me some answers. I'm just trying to be aggressive and trying to find spots where I can."
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:06 am
by Pachinko_
Money is going well though.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:24 am
by jbk1234
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:25 am
by RamonSessions7
jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
After the game, Barnes said "I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing or what I'm not doing. Still haven't got any answers from that. Maybe [NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe] can give me some answers. I'm just trying to be aggressive and trying to find spots where I can."
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
Yeah. Really don't like this aspect of the nba
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:26 am
by xxSnEaKyPxx
jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
After the game, Barnes said "I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing or what I'm not doing. Still haven't got any answers from that. Maybe [NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe] can give me some answers. I'm just trying to be aggressive and trying to find spots where I can."
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
The NBA created this by rewarding floppers and guys like James Harden who just jump into people for the whistle.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:30 am
by NBAAnthem
jbk1234 wrote:Also, this happened:
Harden is nerf proof, the league has done everything to try and stop harden, dude is a beast
hardens first step is lethal, you cant touch this guy with these rules, he is going to get 30 everynight. He is shooting efficently almost everynight from the field now. Harden will shoot above 46% from the field this year
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:31 am
by NBAAnthem
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
After the game, Barnes said "I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing or what I'm not doing. Still haven't got any answers from that. Maybe [NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe] can give me some answers. I'm just trying to be aggressive and trying to find spots where I can."
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
The NBA created this by rewarding floppers and guys like James Harden who just jump into people for the whistle.
its harden's ability to decelerate and change direction on a dime, that makes him unguardable, especially with these rules. Teams have been playing a alot of illegal d againist the rockets and been getting away with too
funny how manu ginobili and vlade were beloved by this website for years and they were the biggest floppers ever
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:34 am
by xxSnEaKyPxx
NBAAnthem wrote:xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
The NBA created this by rewarding floppers and guys like James Harden who just jump into people for the whistle.
its harden's ability to decelerate and change direction on a dime, that makes him unguardable, especially with these rules. Teams have been playing a alot of illegal d againist the rockets and been getting away with too
funny how manu ginobili and vlade were beloved by this website for years and they were the biggest floppers ever
I'm not referring to the times Harden makes a great play and is fouled. I'm referring to the numerous times he flies into a defender and the defender is called for a foul, despite having good position.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:35 am
by jbk1234
NBAAnthem wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Also, this happened:
Harden is nerf proof, the league has done everything to try and stop harden, dude is a beast
hardens first step is lethal, you cant touch this guy with these rules, he is going to get 30 everynight. He is shooting efficently almost everynight from the field now. Harden will shoot above 46% from the field this year
He's second in the league with 9.4 free throws per game. He shot 19 tonight. If you're not trolling, you're James harden.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:35 am
by RamonSessions7
NBAAnthem wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Also, this happened:
Harden is nerf proof, the league has done everything to try and stop harden, dude is a beasthardens first step is lethal, you cant touch this guy with these rules, he is going to get 30 everynight. He is shooting efficently almost everynight from the field now. Harden will shoot above 46% from the field this year
Haha....
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:37 am
by sogood
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25530583/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-frustrated-calls-houston-rocketsLonzo Ball on defending Rockets: 'You can't touch them'
The Los Angeles Lakers found themselves so frustrated by the officiating in the second half of Thursday's 126-111 loss to the Houston Rockets that several players, LeBron James and Lonzo Ball among them, purposely held their hands behind their backs on a series of defensive possessions to make a point to the referees.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:08 am
by Ridicululz
The refs have dirt on the NBA. That's why nothing ever happens to them.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:15 am
by Raps in 4
"I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing"
A good start would be not playing for the Mavs.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:24 am
by Dr Aki
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:32 am
by Adelheid
Dr Aki wrote:
*shakes head*
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:39 am
by dhsilv2
jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
After the game, Barnes said "I ask the refs on almost every play what I could be doing or what I'm not doing. Still haven't got any answers from that. Maybe [NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe] can give me some answers. I'm just trying to be aggressive and trying to find spots where I can."
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
If your defensive play leaves you out of control, then sorry, that is a foul. The fact that Harden seems to play basketball in the matrix and others don't shouldn't be the issue. His exaggerations after contact are annoying but I'm sorry but if a player can't control their body on defense against him, they should be called for fouls or they should just let him shoot uncontested. What Harden is doing is super human and the fact that people keep hating on the insane athletic ability and skill that is leading to drawing fouls is frustrating to keep hearing. Again I get the complaints about the exaggerations, but again we've never seen a guy who can read a defender's body like harden does, can move so quickly, and can do so with such control. If you can't enjoy it...you don't like basketball.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:45 am
by dhsilv2
NBAAnthem wrote:xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Per Wiretap
The fact that this is a mindset, let alone a mindset players feel free to publicly complain about, is ridiculous. There should be nothing you can do as offensive player that *draws more calls.* Whether you're fouled, or not, should be entirely dependent upon whether the defender actually fouls you. If you're jumping into defenders, falling down after the slightest body contract on a drive, or flailing your arms on clean blocks, you shouldn't be getting the call.
The NBA created this by rewarding floppers and guys like James Harden who just jump into people for the whistle.
its harden's ability to decelerate and change direction on a dime, that makes him unguardable, especially with these rules. Teams have been playing a alot of illegal d againist the rockets and been getting away with too
funny how manu ginobili and vlade were beloved by this website for years and they were the biggest floppers ever
Lets not forget the KINGS of flopping Stockton and Malone.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:47 am
by dhsilv2
[quote="Dr Aki"][/quote]
One of these guys shoots a hell of a lot more 3's which grossly skews this. One of these guys doesn't use a fadeaway jumper as a staple of his game, despite having a good if not great fadeaway. Funny how that works....
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:48 am
by CIN-C-STAR
I think a simpler way to look at it is defining incidental contact and making it equal for all players, offense and defense.
A little bit of contact is bound to take place and, if inadvertent, shouldn't be a whistle.
If an offensive player bumps into a defender while driving hard to the hoop, is that an offensive foul? Of course not.
And at the same time, if a defender, coming around a screen and coming off contact, brushes an offensive player who is dribbling, inadvertently and not with enough force to make a clear impact on the play, by the same token that isn't a foul either. It should be considered incidental contact, just like force initiated by offensive players, whether posting up or driving for a layup.
They way the game is called now offensive players can initiate tons of contact, but defender none at all. That's dumb. It should be roughly equal for all players.
Re: The officiating problem encapsulated
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:20 am
by Jakay
Dr Aki wrote:
Now do this for playoff wins and those numbers will start to coalesce nicely.