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Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:55 pm
by Young gun 6
Top 5 rookies in every category of statistics, raw and advanced:

Points Per Game
1. Doncic (19.5)
2. Ayton (16.8)
3. Young (15.6)
4. Sexton (14.8)
5. JJJ (13.2)

Rebounds Per Game
1. Ayton (10.9)
2. WCJ (6.9)
3. Doncic (6.6)
4. Bagley (6.1)
5. JJJ (4.7)

Assists Per Game
1. Young (7.4)
2. Doncic (5.0)
3. Melton (2.9)
4/5. SGA (2.7)
4/5. Sexton (2.7)

Steals Per Game
1/2. Mikal Bridges (1.4)
1/2. Melton (1.4)
3. Doncic (1.1)
4/5/6. SGA (0.9)
4/5/6. JJJ (0.9)
4/5/6. Okogie (0.9)

Blocks Per Game
1. Robinson (1.8)
2. JJJ (1.7)
3. WCJ (1.5)
4. Bamba (1.3)
5. Bagley (1.0)

FG %
1. Robinson (64%)
2. Ayton (60.8%)
3. Bagley (53.6%)
4. JJ (51.6%)
5. WCJ (48.7%)

3PT %
1. Shamet (40.3%)
2. SGA (38.9%)
3. Huerter (38.1%)
4. Trier (37.3%)
5. Doncic (37.1%)

FT %
1. Okobo (92.9%)
2. Kurucs (89.2%)
3. Sexton (86.6%)
4. Mikal Bridges (85.0%)
5. Shamet (81.1%)

PER
1. Ayton (22.2)
2. Bagley (18.4)
3/4. Doncic (18.1)
3/4. JJJ (18.1)
5. Robinson (16.9)

TS %
1. Robinson (63.5%)
2. Ayton (62.8%)
3. Shamet (60.4%)
4. JJJ (59.6%)
5. Bagley (59.2%)

Usage %
1. Young (27.5%)
2. Doncic (27.0%)
3. Sexton (25.6%)
4. JJJ (23.0%)
5. Knox (22.5%)

Offensive Rating
1. Robinson (129)
2. Ayton (120)
3. Shamet (117)
4. Bagley (113)
5. Kurucs (111)

Defensive Rating
1. JJJ (104)
2/3. Bamba (106)
2/3. Divincenzo (106)
4/5. Brown (108)
4/5. WCJ (108)

Net Rating
1. Robinson (+20)
2. Ayton (+9)
3/4. JJJ (+4)
3/4. Shamet (+4)
5/6. Bagely (+1)
5/6. Miles Bridges (+1)

Offensive Win Shares
1. Ayton (2.7)
2. Doncic (1.2)
3. Shamet (1.0)
4/5/6. Bagley (0.9)
4/5/6. JJJ (0.9)
4/5/6. Robinson (0.9)

Defensive Win Shares
1. JJJ (1.5)
2. WCJ (1.2)
3/4. Ayton (1.1)
3/4. Doncic (1.1)
5. Bamba (0.7)

Total Win Shares
1. Ayton (3.8)
2. JJJ (2.4)
3. Doncic (2.3)
4. WCJ (1.6)
5. Robinson (1.5)

OBPM
1. Doncic (2.1)
2. Ayton (1.3)
3. Shamet (0.9)
4. Robinson (0.0)
5. SGA (-0.3)

DBPM
1. Robinson (4.7)
2. Bamba (2.8)
3. JJJ (2.6)
4. WCJ (2.5)
5. Ayton (0.9)

BPM
1. Robinson (4.7)
2. Doncic (2.4)
3. Ayton (2.2)
4. JJJ (1.8)
5. Bamba (0.4)

VORP
1/2. Ayton (1.2)
1/2. Doncic (1.2)
3. JJJ (0.9)
4. Robinson (0.8)
5. SGA (0.5)



It's not surprising to see Ayton, Doncic and JJJ top nearly every list but the biggest one is Mitchell Robinson. He is absolutely destroying all rookies in most of the defensive and rating stats along with shooting percentages (due to all shots pretty much being dunks).

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:57 pm
by xxSnEaKyPxx
Ben Simmons though?

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:06 am
by clyde21
thx for putting this together, incredible rook class

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:15 am
by Dez
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Ben Simmons though?


People who try rehash this joke still should be fired out of a cannon into the ocean.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:16 am
by xxSnEaKyPxx
Dez wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Ben Simmons though?


People who try rehash this joke still should be fired out of a cannon into the ocean.

Sounds fun. Sign me up!

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:17 am
by AIfan3
Ayton should really be getting more recognition than he currently is. It's too bad the NBA doesn't care about non three point shooting bigs..

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:21 am
by THE J0KER
This draft class is very well selected in general, with all TOP5 picks proved they are TOP5 worthy, and no bust-alert for any of the TOP12 picks so far, which I can't remember is ever happens anytime before.

Mitchell Robinson is the obvious steal of the draft so far (waiting for M.Porter), Knicks somehow take such prospect in the 2nd round of the draft. But to be fair, his current advanced stats were overrated compared to the others most notable rookies, because he using the advantage of playing a big part of his minutes during garbage times, unlike other top prospects of this class. So I see in his case some kind of "Boban Marjanovic effect". But that said, I must remind that rookie under the radar with great advanced and per minute numbers last season was John Collins which this season proved he is the real deal.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:26 am
by GeorgeMarcus
Shamet with some impressive offensive production. He looks like our Redick of the future.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:44 am
by Duke4life831
THE J0KER wrote:This draft class is very well selected in general, with all TOP5 picks proved they are TOP5 worthy, and no bust-alert for any of the TOP12 picks so far, which I can't remember is ever happens anytime before.

Mitchell Robinson is the obvious steal of the draft so far (waiting for M.Porter), Knicks somehow take such prospect in the 2nd round of the draft. But to be fair, his current advanced stats were overrated compared to the others most notable rookies, because he using the advantage of playing a big part of his minutes during garbage times, unlike other top prospects of this class. So I see in his case some kind of "Boban Marjanovic effect". But that said, I must remind that rookie under the radar with great advanced and per minute numbers last season was John Collins which this season proved he is the real deal.


I agree except for Trae Young. He's the one guy in the top 5 that looks questionable.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:09 am
by GeorgeMarcus
AIfan3 wrote:Ayton should really be getting more recognition than he currently is. It's too bad the NBA doesn't care about non three point shooting bigs..


I don't think it's that as much as it is team performance. The Suns have been playing better lately though, so that may change.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:06 pm
by Young gun 6
Duke4life831 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:This draft class is very well selected in general, with all TOP5 picks proved they are TOP5 worthy, and no bust-alert for any of the TOP12 picks so far, which I can't remember is ever happens anytime before.

Mitchell Robinson is the obvious steal of the draft so far (waiting for M.Porter), Knicks somehow take such prospect in the 2nd round of the draft. But to be fair, his current advanced stats were overrated compared to the others most notable rookies, because he using the advantage of playing a big part of his minutes during garbage times, unlike other top prospects of this class. So I see in his case some kind of "Boban Marjanovic effect". But that said, I must remind that rookie under the radar with great advanced and per minute numbers last season was John Collins which this season proved he is the real deal.


I agree except for Trae Young. He's the one guy in the top 5 that looks questionable.


Agreed especially in a PG heavy league, I think he will struggle if he can’t improve his efficiency.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm
by Ball4life32
Young gun 6 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:This draft class is very well selected in general, with all TOP5 picks proved they are TOP5 worthy, and no bust-alert for any of the TOP12 picks so far, which I can't remember is ever happens anytime before.

Mitchell Robinson is the obvious steal of the draft so far (waiting for M.Porter), Knicks somehow take such prospect in the 2nd round of the draft. But to be fair, his current advanced stats were overrated compared to the others most notable rookies, because he using the advantage of playing a big part of his minutes during garbage times, unlike other top prospects of this class. So I see in his case some kind of "Boban Marjanovic effect". But that said, I must remind that rookie under the radar with great advanced and per minute numbers last season was John Collins which this season proved he is the real deal.


I agree except for Trae Young. He's the one guy in the top 5 that looks questionable.


Agreed especially in a PG heavy league, I think he will struggle if he can’t improve his efficiency.

Trae has been playing a lot better. He’s shooting 50% from 3 over his last 8 games and scoring way more efficiently over his last 12 and his passing is special. Im happy with him. And Kevin Huerter was a steal at 19.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:55 pm
by Young gun 6
Atlhawks09 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I agree except for Trae Young. He's the one guy in the top 5 that looks questionable.


Agreed especially in a PG heavy league, I think he will struggle if he can’t improve his efficiency.

Trae has been playing a lot better. He’s shooting 50% from 3 over his last 8 games and scoring way more efficiently over his last 12 and his passing is special. Im happy with him. And Kevin Huerter was a steal at 19.



He is 9 of 26 from 3 in his last 8 for 34.6%..

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:57 pm
by Ball4life32
Young gun 6 wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
Agreed especially in a PG heavy league, I think he will struggle if he can’t improve his efficiency.

Trae has been playing a lot better. He’s shooting 50% from 3 over his last 8 games and scoring way more efficiently over his last 12 and his passing is special. Im happy with him. And Kevin Huerter was a steal at 19.



He is 9 of 26 from 3 in his last 8 for 34.6%..

I’m counting today’s game. He went 4-6 from 3.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:59 pm
by bwgood77
To keep up to date on most of these stats, you can always click on the top two links here... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1475152

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:07 am
by Ryo Coola
Young gun 6 wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
Agreed especially in a PG heavy league, I think he will struggle if he can’t improve his efficiency.

Trae has been playing a lot better. He’s shooting 50% from 3 over his last 8 games and scoring way more efficiently over his last 12 and his passing is special. Im happy with him. And Kevin Huerter was a steal at 19.



He is 9 of 26 from 3 in his last 8 for 34.6%..
He is a good floor general and great playmaker even if his shooting from three is terrible. He is crafty with the ball. His floater game is coming along. Seems like enough things to hold on to. Sometimes rookies just aren't great at shooting. Seems like things are slowing down for him nonetheless.

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Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:08 am
by bwgood77
Atlhawks09 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:Trae has been playing a lot better. He’s shooting 50% from 3 over his last 8 games and scoring way more efficiently over his last 12 and his passing is special. Im happy with him. And Kevin Huerter was a steal at 19.



He is 9 of 26 from 3 in his last 8 for 34.6%..

I’m counting today’s game. He went 4-6 from 3.


Of course it also helps that the 0-6 game from 9 games ago drops off and is replaced by 4-6. Glad he's shooting better though.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:55 am
by jayu70
bwgood77 wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:

He is 9 of 26 from 3 in his last 8 for 34.6%..

I’m counting today’s game. He went 4-6 from 3.


Of course it also helps that the 0-6 game from 9 games ago drops off and is replaced by 4-6. Glad he's shooting better though.

November: 19% from 3
December: 34 % from 3
Since John Collins returned from injury and Kevin Huerter was inserted in starting line-up, Trae is no longer leading the team in field goal attempts. He doesn't need to carry the offensive burden anymore.

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:08 am
by dorkestra
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Shamet with some impressive offensive production. He looks like our Redick of the future.


He seems mentally stronger than JJ who has a tendency to overthink things under pressure

Re: Rookie Leaders - (Top 5 Leaders in Raw and Advanced Stats)

Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:13 am
by LloydFree
Without the stats, and just reading Realgm comments, you would swear Doncic was the only rookie who exists and was the leader in every category.