Kyrie Irving and Marcus Morris have ruined Celtics Pride

[dynasty2018]

Don't hate. The Celtics are the all-time greatest basketball team. The 60's weren't that long ago and still count.

They will never dominate the league again like that, so there's no reason to debate C's as GOAT team. The Yankees ruined my childhood. I grok why people might not want to hear about Boston Celtic history. I feel your pain and wish your teams good luck. (I actually don't care, but the point of this thread is not whether or not Boston or Lakers are the all-time best or Chicago Bulls for so-called modern age, etc.)

The C's have always been about unselfishness and making teammates better. Red Auerbach believed that stats were for losers.

Morris and Irving are good and very good respectively. Morris is a tweener between serviceable starter and scoring specialist. The same is true for Kyrie but the way the league is set up, he is spun as a top pg and player in the NBA.

Kyrie is not a leader. He is not good enough to be a traditional pg. He makes too many stupid turnovers. He doesn't have the vision or strength or something to put up a lot of assists with few turnovers. He is mediocre at best on defense.

I was watching Kyrie last night on defense. He stood around a lot of the time. It was basically four on five from the eye test. It looked like he was trying to help out Horford and other bigs and waiting for an opportunity to pad some rebound stats.

Jaylen Brown got frustrated and messed up taking too much time recovering to get back on defense. Morris is the Kyrie of power forwards serviceable at best for defense. He is a great scorer. But Carmelo Anthony was a great scorer who never won anything.

I will give up on Boston and the NBA if Danny messes this one up. Morris should not be shoving anyone in public like he did to Jaylen. A lot of fans don't seem to understand basketball. They think Kyrie is transcendent. If only the rest of the team could play up to his standards. That is the claim made by morons and kids aged twelve.

Kyrie wants to be the selfless leader but that's not his game. It takes away from his scoring which is pretty much all he is. Someone grabbing a couple steals doesn't make them a good defender. In short, the team has become too dependent on divas Morris and Irving and lost its defensive identity. The chemistry from last year is in tatters.

I think Danny should shake things up with a major trade. Unfortunately, the two cancers are the ones with the expiring contracts.

[Feed Your Head]

Yeah this is going to end well. Also, lame ass post and shouldn't be on the GB.

[chrisab123]

There's a bunch of reasons the Celtics lost last night. Kyrie isn't on that list. Back to back, sloppy passing, turnovers are

[JXL]

I'm balancing between annoyance and giddiness because seeing the Celtics tear each other apart is enjoyable to me, and then I read your post...

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[XxIronChainzxX]

I don't think that's fair even if you have issues with these guys. I disagree that the 60s wasn't that long ago - it's ancient history, even the 80s exist in memory more - but we did have the Big 3 Celtics which were a huge source of pride.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The problem with Irving is you need a bunch of knock down shooters around him since he is ball dominant. You currently have a bunch of guys who need to touch the ball, handle it to be good.

The team isn't built around Irving's strengths...that's on your GM. It's not a very well constructed team, it's just a group of assets.

[ThunderBolt]

The OP sounds like the way I felt when my team lost as a kid.

[Duke4life831]

So the two most consistent players on the year are the ones ruining the Celtics? Kyrie makes too many sloppy turnovers? He averages just 2.5 turnovers a game to his 6.5 assists. Kyrie is having his best all around season easily. Morris is playing two way basketball and has a 64 TS%.

Also where did this whole Boston moved the ball like crazy in the playoffs and with Kyrie back the ball now sticks? The Celtics averaged less assists a game in the playoffs last year compared to the regular season (21 vs 22), while this year they're averaging 26 assists a game (6th in the league). Also in the playoffs Rozier held the ball longer each possession and he dribbled more per touch than Kyrie as well. I don't get where the idea of Rozier being a pass first guy came from.

But ya lets keep going with baseless narratives.

[pwrshft99]

Try being a Bulls fan ffs

[dynasty2018]

Yeah this is going to end well. Also, lame ass post and shouldn't be on the GB.

Haha, oh look it's a tough guy into censorship.

[Gooner]

Kyrie doesn't turn the ball over a lot, you're just making stuff up. He and Morris are the two best players on the Celtics this season, whether you like it or not. The real problem is a guy like Rozier, who thinks he is a star, and he is just chasing his numbers whenever he comes on, so he can get his money in the summer. Celtics are 25-16, not great, but it's not that bad, they can only get better i believe.

[Goudelock]

I will give up on Boston and the NBA if Danny messes this one up. Morris should not be shoving anyone in public like he did to Jaylen. A lot of fans don't seem to understand basketball. They think Kyrie is transcendent. If only the rest of the team could play up to his standards. That is the claim made by morons and kids aged twelve.

Your team is fifth in the East despite having to integrate Hayward and shuffling around players on the depth chart. If a few struggles here or there make you want to give up on basketball, then are you really a fan?

A lot of fans don't seem to understand basketball.

Are we sure that you understand basketball? Maybe you're not a reader of NBA history, but Bill Russell was a notoriously lazy practicer and would get into it with teammates. Larry Bird called his teammates "Sissies" after losing a game in the NBA finals. The Boston Big 3 of the late 2000's were a bunch of prima donnas if there ever were some. Nobody is perfect. I'd say that Kyrie's track record speaks for itself. He was able to get along with LeBron.

[Gooner]

So the two most consistent players on the year are the ones ruining the Celtics? Kyrie makes too many sloppy turnovers? He averages just 2.5 turnovers a game to his 6.5 assists. Kyrie is having his best all around season easily. Morris is playing two way basketball and has a 64 TS%.

Also where did this whole Boston moved the ball like crazy in the playoffs and with Kyrie back the ball now sticks? The Celtics averaged less assists a game in the playoffs last year compared to the regular season (21 vs 22), while this year they're averaging 26 assists a game (6th in the league). Also in the playoffs Rozier held the ball longer each possession and he dribbled more per touch than Kyrie as well. I don't get where the idea of Rozier being a pass first guy came from.

But ya lets keep going with baseless narratives.

That's my issue with Kyrie, he isn't agressive enough. It's his team, and he should make that clear as a leader. But all that iso-ball criticism that he gets is just a myth.

[Prokorov]

Remeber when celtics fans jumped down our throats when we suggested they wouldnt necessarily be ebtter just because irving/heyward were back?

[Goudelock]

Oh, and if Irving and Morris have ruined Celtics Pride (whatever the hell that means), then what did Rick Pitino do to it in the late 90's? Take it out back and shoot it like the dying family dog?

[Gooner]

Remeber when celtics fans jumped down our throats when we suggested they wouldnt necessarily be ebtter just because irving/heyward were back?

They have a higher ceiling, that's what really matters. Everything else can be figured out.

[Duke4life831]

So the two most consistent players on the year are the ones ruining the Celtics? Kyrie makes too many sloppy turnovers? He averages just 2.5 turnovers a game to his 6.5 assists. Kyrie is having his best all around season easily. Morris is playing two way basketball and has a 64 TS%.

Also where did this whole Boston moved the ball like crazy in the playoffs and with Kyrie back the ball now sticks? The Celtics averaged less assists a game in the playoffs last year compared to the regular season (21 vs 22), while this year they're averaging 26 assists a game (6th in the league). Also in the playoffs Rozier held the ball longer each possession and he dribbled more per touch than Kyrie as well. I don't get where the idea of Rozier being a pass first guy came from.

But ya lets keep going with baseless narratives.

That's my issue with Kyrie, he isn't agressive enough. It's his team, and he should make that clear as a leader. But all that iso-ball criticism that he gets is just a myth.

Haha it is weird. I read the Celtics board and I see probably a healthy majority saying game after game that Kyrie needs to shoot more and be more aggressive. But everywhere else I read and hear that Kyrie kills the ball movement and is too selfish.

[Feed Your Head]

Yeah this is going to end well. Also, lame ass post and shouldn't be on the GB.

Haha, oh look it's a tough guy into censorship.

What? Seems you know about as much about censorship as you do about basketball.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Do they have a high ceiling? It doesn't look like that to me.

[jazzfan1971]

When I watched Boston, Morris looked like one of their best players.