freethedevil wrote: og15 wrote:
The idea that an elite scorer would be better in a vacuum than an elite scorer and playmaker shows is hilarious.
Well sure, but offense is not the only way that players can impact the game. Defense is also a large factor. Warriors have had a team that perfectly compliments Curry on defense. The combination of players they have to accomplish that can't just be easily pieced together around the league.
I remember someone saying that Curry would do better with the Westbrook-less Thunder than KD did, but one is basing that off of Curry playing with guys like Thompson and Green in Kerr's system and assuming he can accomplish as good a defence in Durant's place. If we go to 13-14 in Jackson's system, even though Curry wasn't as productive then, we have no other sample in a less fluid system. The Warriors second most played lineup Curry/Thompson/Barnes/Lee/Bogut had a 94.9 Ortg in 316 minutes. In 14-15 we had lineups like Curry, Thompson, Iggy, Barnes, Green (102 mins, 103.6 Ortg), Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Green, Ezeli (99 mins, 98 Ortg), Curry, Barbosa, Iguodala, Green, Speights (52 mins, 89.9 Ortg). If we jump to 15-16, their starting lineup which included Barnes and Bogut played 552 minutes and had a good 108.2 Ortg, but nothing amazing, there were 12 lineups with 200+ minutes that were better on offense, including two OKC lineups (just for the Durant reference). The point here is simply that you can't trot out any just decent lineup with Curry and get great offense just because of his gravity, which is what it seems like some want to suggest, especially not just in any random offensive system either.
Currently GS can attack and still score efficiently against traps and hard hedges on Curry because Draymond can pick apart 4v3, Klay will feast on open shots, and Iguodala can be a third playmaker and attack the rotating defense.
Now, if Klay is Sefolosha, well now my rotations are easier because I'm playing off him, and will gladly give him the shot and close out late. That also closes some passing lanes if I am a step or two away and can recover inside quicker. If Green is Ibaka, well I don't fear his ball handling, passing or vision to attack 4v3 so my hard hedges or traps to get the ball out of Curry's hands are far more effective. I can even have a defender stunt towards Ibaka to disuaade him from an open shot every once in a while, then rotate back accordingly. Curry can still get his, but now my offense when Curry is not scoring is not nearly as effective. When I get to the playoffs against a very good defense, things then become much harder.
GS has been great because of their combination of offense and defense, even when they aren't playing the best defense through the season, their capability on that side is great.
Curry is great by himself, but the personnel on the Warriors also allow for his and their additional greatness, and these are personell that teams can't just put together, great teams are generally unique situations in addition to their best pieces. Curry is playing with another guy who is one of the greatest shooters of all time and at 6'7 can guard PG's as well as SG and SF, relieving Curry on defense. Then there's a guy who is one of the best and more versatile defenders the league has seen and additionally a versatile offensive talent and especially a solid passer. Then they have a great, though ageing 4th guy who can defend multiple positions
If you're looking for an example of an ideal type team built around Durant with that level of talent, he also needs complimentary shooting. For him, get him a playmaking PG that can shoot, his DPOY level guy, a 6th man of the year type and a solid defensive C. If you put together something like the SSOL Suns, but swap Amare with Durant, Nash with Billups and then give them a defensive C. Durant is your Curry, Billups is your Klay, Marion is you Green, Diaw is your Iguodala and NYK/Dallas Chandler is your GS version of Bogut.
Tyson Chandler (NYK/Dallas version)
6th man: Boris Diaw
If you want to give them GS level shooting:
Tyson Chandler (NYK/Dallas version)
6th man: Brent Barry
Now if I build that kind of lineup around Durant, those are 60+ win teams in their best seasons and top contenders.