Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early?

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Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#1 » by freethedevil » Wed May 15, 2019 9:37 pm

If philly don't win a championship with embid and simmons, surely the blame falls upon the decisions of the last 2 gms trying to rush philly into "win now"?
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#2 » by RoyceDa59 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:41 pm

No.

They were one shot away from competing for the Eastern Championship. All their best players are in their 20's - they're poised to be one of the elite teams in the East next year.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#3 » by GeorgeMarcus » Wed May 15, 2019 9:41 pm

Nah the starters were great together, just need to fill out our bench
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#4 » by canadiansporter » Wed May 15, 2019 9:41 pm

it's a fine line. had they "processed" some more and tanked, they're wasting away embiid and simmons' talent potentially. too early and they waste resources to get players that don't ultimately help them win a chip.

they've done it as close to perfect as you can i think
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#5 » by dhsilv2 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm

Clearly the fultz move was bad, giving up 2 high picks for 1 player who even at the time maybe was seen as the "best" but he wasn't seen as a sure thing superstar either. I don't love the moves they made this year, but it was the time to make those moves due to cap issues with simmons about to get maxed. Clearly it would be nice to have a Tatum and late lottery player x instead of their current bench but such is life.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#6 » by dc » Wed May 15, 2019 9:46 pm

Giving up that pick to move up for Fultz is going to hurt.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#7 » by ChuckChilly » Wed May 15, 2019 9:51 pm

Honestly, it looks like Embiid will have a relatively short NBA career if the injuries keep piling up. So now is/was the right time to strike.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#8 » by itsme23 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:53 pm

ChuckChilly wrote:Honestly, it looks like Embiid will have a relatively short NBA career if the injuries keep piling up. So now is/was the right time to strike.


Good point. This is very likely the case. If your Philly you have to do everything to make sure Embidd is eating right and taking care of his body, and have Simmons shoot a million jump shots a day.

The rest I think can figure itself out as you have two elite players that could potentially win you a championship as long as they mature and get better.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#9 » by kenwood3333 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:03 pm

No, their window of opportunity is now with Embiid's questionable health
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#10 » by marcush » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 pm

They did win 50 games and a playoff series the year before.....so it’s not like they rushed too much.

The real issue was that they just overpaid severely for 30 games of Harris. Now we have no assets left.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#11 » by lambchop » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 pm

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ChuckChilly wrote:Honestly, it looks like Embiid will have a relatively short NBA career if the injuries keep piling up. So now is/was the right time to strike.


Good point. This is very likely the case. If your Philly you have to do everything to make sure Embidd is eating right and taking care of his body, and have Simmons shoot a million jump shots a day.

The rest I think can figure itself out as you have two elite players that could potentially win you a championship as long as they mature and get better.


This. Eating habits are hurting Embiid. He looks like he aged pretty significantly from just 2 years ago.
In addition, I'll never understand how franchises allow shooting forms like Simmons or lonzo to exist.
The teams are probably afraid these guys will demand a trade, if they are told to rework their shots from scratch. Pathetic and a huge waste of talent.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#12 » by Sofia » Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 pm

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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#13 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 pm

Like others mentioned, our window could be 2 or 10 years with Embiid. I'd rather go for it now with his health being questionable.

I'm sure Allen Iverson thought he'd reach another NBA finals after 2001, but never did. Same with Westbrook and Harden (OKC). Many other athletes across all sports I could mention. Nothing is guaranteed.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#14 » by Yoshun » Wed May 15, 2019 10:12 pm

Philly didn't abandon the process, this was always the process. Hinkie's goal was to do two things: 1. Acquire one or two franchise cornerstones to build a team around and make the team a free agent destination. 2. Acquire assets to trade for complimentary assets and stars. That is the process. It was not to endlessly tank, this is exactly what he was tanking for in the first place. What we can decide though is if Butler and Tobias Harris were the players they should have gone for, that's the debate.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#15 » by freethedevil » Wed May 15, 2019 10:22 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:one of the elite teams in the East next year.

I thought the goal was to win. Philly seemed on pace to "one of the elite" teams before the trade...
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#16 » by freethedevil » Wed May 15, 2019 10:24 pm

Yoshun wrote:Philly didn't abandon the process, this was always the process. Hinkie's goal was to do two things: 1. Acquire one or two franchise cornerstones to build a team around and make the team a free agent destination.

You teade for complimentary stars when you're in a position to win, which philly, clearly weren't. With what cap space are they elevating this team from second round exit to title winner?
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#17 » by freethedevil » Wed May 15, 2019 10:25 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm sure Allen Iverson thought he'd reach another NBA finals after 2001, .

I don't see how consecutive second round exits is "going for the title"
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#18 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Fultz was a huge miss. Tatum would’ve been fantastic with those 2
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#19 » by SkyHookFTW » Wed May 15, 2019 10:29 pm

The Sixers played a whole 25 games with their playoff starting lineup. The pieces don't fit together, at least not yet. They still were within one Kawai extra step shot that barely went in to getting to the finals. I can think of a lot of other teams that would like to be in that position.
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Re: Did Philly Abandon the Process too Early? 

Post#20 » by B-Ball Freak » Wed May 15, 2019 10:30 pm

dc wrote:Giving up that pick to move up for Fultz is going to hurt.


Hindsight is 20/20 but they could have had drafted Tatum and in turn keep their picks and Shamet which they gave up for Tobias Harris.

Simmons/McConnell/Zhaire Smith
Redick/Shamet
Butler/Chandler/Ennis
Tatum/Muscala/Bolden
Embiid/Johnson

Plus their future picks they traded to the Clippers

Perennial Eastern Conference Finals contender right there.

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