Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences?

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Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences?

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Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences? 

Post#1 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 4:27 am

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I don't have some software which will calculate the difference in traveling miles after such change, but just look at the map and eye test will not fool you - the difference will not be significant. And forget about tradition - this thread is about not less than saving the NBA from another historic high difference in star-power between East and West which would badly reflect on TV ratings and NBA business in general.

Current unbalance is already unacceptable since last summer the biggest star LeBron join West too, and Durant going to New York this summer will not change anything if Leonard goes to Los Angeles. And just take look on the previous two draft class where only Trae Young and Tatum can be compared with Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, Bagley, Mitchell, Fox... After on the previous draft West have all TOP4 picks, probably the same will happens once again this season because New York is probably going to trade their #3 pick as a trade asset. Luka Doncic as a rookie was the biggest rookie draw attention in XXI century after LeBron and Yao Ming, and Zion Williamson will be probably even bigger, and guess what - Luka and Zion both are on the West!

Something radical should be done to fix this imbalance on the notable way overnight, so I come with this proposal. There are worse and especially less talented teams on the East than Atlanta, but Chicago, for example, is a big market team, and Cleveland would prolong league traveling routes on significant numbers of miles if they switch Conference with a New Orleans, so the only relevant alternative to Atlanta Hawks I see in Charlotte Hornets which is worse solutions by geography but have less star-power than Atlanta (especially if Kemba goes). The other teams apart of NOLA which can switch the West are Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Memphis (see the map), but only Oklahoma has enough star-power (thanks to Westbrook and George) to be worth such radical change. Of course, the biggest change would be if NBA switches New Orleans and Oklahoma both with Atlanta and Charlotte both. Transfer of Russ, PG13, Zion, and AD* overnight from West to East would clearly reduce current West/East star-power disbalance in many ways.
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Re: Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences? 

Post#2 » by Domejandro » Thu May 16, 2019 4:29 am

The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.
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Post#3 » by Buzzard » Thu May 16, 2019 4:34 am

New Orleans should just be put in the Southeast. I like our ( Falcons ) rivalry with the Saints and can see a good one forming with the Pelicans also.
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Re: Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences? 

Post#4 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 4:36 am

Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.

If Butler stays Minnesota with KAT would be actually No1 option for this change, but with KAT alone and with probably losing Derick Rose too this summer, Pelicans and Oklahoma have a clear advantage.
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Post#5 » by sule » Thu May 16, 2019 4:38 am

Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.


32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)
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Re: Should New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks (temporarily) switch the Conferences? 

Post#6 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 4:39 am

Buzzard wrote:New Orleans should just be put in the Southeast. I like our ( Falcons ) rivalry with the Saints and can see a good one forming with the Pelicans also.
If you add one team, another must go, so you are basically for Pelicans-Hornets swap, instead of Pelicans-Hawks.
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Post#7 » by Sothron » Thu May 16, 2019 4:43 am

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Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.


32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)


I cannot like this post enough. I have wanted for years to get the Vancouver Grizz back there and Seattle with the Sonics. Minnesota has been at a competitive disadvantage for its entire existence as a franchise because of their travel. Having SEA/VAN back in the NBA would allow them to move Minn to the East which is a rare win/win/win for three franchises.
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Post#8 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 4:50 am

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Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.


32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)

From 2019-20 perspective it is already too late for such big change because you must prepare the upcoming draft to a new league format. I agree Minnesota and Memphis changes geographically have little bit more sense to go on the East than New Orleans (and/or Oklahoma), but because this eventual change is motivated by East lack of star-power I call this change TEMPORARILY, and the chosen team are New Orleans (maybe Oklahoma).
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Post#9 » by Buzzard » Thu May 16, 2019 4:51 am

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Buzzard wrote:New Orleans should just be put in the Southeast. I like our ( Falcons ) rivalry with the Saints and can see a good one forming with the Pelicans also.
If you add one team, another must go, so you are basically for Pelicans-Hornets swap, instead of Pelicans-Hawks.

I like our rivalries with Charlotte and Orlando. The one that is not normal as a NFL fan is the Heat. Dolphins are in the AFC.
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Post#10 » by sule » Thu May 16, 2019 4:57 am

Sothron wrote:
sule wrote:
Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.


32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)


I cannot like this post enough. I have wanted for years to get the Vancouver Grizz back there and Seattle with the Sonics. Minnesota has been at a competitive disadvantage for its entire existence as a franchise because of their travel. Having SEA/VAN back in the NBA would allow them to move Minn to the East which is a rare win/win/win for three franchises.


We could also get 8 team divisions x4.

Seattle
Vancouver
Portland
Sacramento
Golden State
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Phoenix

Utah
Denver
OKC
San Antonio
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Memphis

Minnesota
Milwaukee
Chicago
Indiana
Detroit
Cleveland
Toronto
Atlanta

Boston
New York
Brooklyn
Philadelphia
Washington
Charlotte
Orlando
Miami


And you could balance out the schedule for 2 teams against opposite conference (32 games) and 3 games versus each team in your own conference (48), and two rotating games against rivals as determined by previous seasons (so, e.g., if Raptors lose to Milwaukee this season in the playoffs, one against them, and then maybe one against Vancouver). Those two last games could easily be used to build up rivalries between teams and help increase revenue for teams and the league.
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Post#11 » by Buzzard » Thu May 16, 2019 4:57 am

Side note: I think the Hawks have a outside chance, depending on the draft and free agency, of going from worse to first in the Southeast.
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Post#12 » by trwi7 » Thu May 16, 2019 5:01 am

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I don't have some software which will calculate the difference in traveling miles after such change, but just look at the map and eye test will not fool you - the difference will not be significant.


The difference is the time zone, which is significant with Atlanta being in the Eastern time zone and New Orleans being in the Central.

There really is no good solution with the West still having vast swaths of unpopulated wasteland until you hit Arizona and the coast outside of a couple of pockets (Denver, Salt Lake City).
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Post#13 » by Buzzard » Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 am

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I don't have some software which will calculate the difference in traveling miles after such change, but just look at the map and eye test will not fool you - the difference will not be significant.


The difference is the time zone, which is significant with Atlanta being in the Eastern time zone and New Orleans being in the Central.

There really is no good solution with the West still having vast swaths of unpopulated wasteland until you hit Arizona and the coast outside of a couple of pockets (Denver, Salt Lake City).

The time zone is a good point that I'd not thought of. Staying up for the Hawks west coasts swings is already brutal.
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Post#14 » by sule » Thu May 16, 2019 5:06 am

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Domejandro wrote:The fact that Minnesota isn't in Central is a **** travesty.


32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)

From 2019-20 perspective it is already too late for such big change because you must prepare the upcoming draft to a new league format. I agree Minnesota and Memphis changes geographically have little bit more sense to go on the East than New Orleans (and/or Oklahoma), but because this eventual change is motivated by East lack of star-power I call this change TEMPORARILY, and the chosen team are New Orleans (maybe Oklahoma).


I don't think star power is that lacking in the East right now. You're predicating your argument on Kawhi leaving, Durant leaving, etc. Players change teams all the time. The issues usually tend to lie with how teams are managed. The league should be pressureing for new owners and management teams to adopt similar approaches to successful franchises. The Warriors, Spurs, Raptors, Bucks, Jazz, are all model franchises on how to build teams from the top down with great management and utilization of resources.

Besides, the East has some great players. Kawhi on the Raptors. Giannis on the Bucks. Embiid in Philly. Trae is up-and-coming in Atlanta. In my scenario KAT would come over. Kyrie's in the East. Oladipo is gaining star power in Indiana. Either Barrett or Morant will end up in New York.

Bucks and Raptors are both great teams this season with great players. We just saw, arguably, the most historic shot in NBA history three nights ago in Toronto. Bucks or Raptors will be in the Finals this season (Raptors have never made it and Bucks would be first time after 45 or so years). Both will have homecourt advantage, so a lot of money will go to one of these teams from a Finals appearance. And both could be contending at the top of the East for the foreseeable future.
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Post#15 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 5:08 am

sule wrote:
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sule wrote:
32 teams would fix a lot of issues. Both new additions in the west.

Minnesota moves to the East.

Seattle and Vancouver get teams, since it would repopulate the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of money and corporate dollars, but nearly zero NBA presence.

It would equalize playoff teams and non-playoff teams to 8 in and 8 out.

It would also decrease the odds of getting 1st in the new odds system, so it would make tanking less worth it for most teams.

It would also give some players in the G-league a chance to show themselves and would balance rosters a bit with the new teams, since players would be plucked off other rosters.

And it would also bring back Seattle and Vancouver. Two cities that were screwed out of teams.

Bonus, it'd likely lessen travel time overall for most teams, and having two teams in Canada again would remove some of the stigma off the Raptors, who can't attract free agents b/c of perceptions about crossing the border.


Theres no need to switch teams arbitrarily. That would just make more of a mess. (even though that seems to be Silver's fortè)


I cannot like this post enough. I have wanted for years to get the Vancouver Grizz back there and Seattle with the Sonics. Minnesota has been at a competitive disadvantage for its entire existence as a franchise because of their travel. Having SEA/VAN back in the NBA would allow them to move Minn to the East which is a rare win/win/win for three franchises.


We could also get 8 team divisions x4.

Seattle
Vancouver
Portland
Sacramento
Golden State
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Phoenix

Utah
Denver
OKC
San Antonio
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Memphis

Minnesota
Milwaukee
Chicago
Indiana
Detroit
Cleveland
Toronto
Atlanta

Boston
New York
Brooklyn
Philadelphia
Washington
Charlotte
Orlando
Miami


And you could balance out the schedule for 2 teams against opposite conference (32 games) and 3 games versus each team in your own conference (48), and two rotating games against rivals as determined by previous seasons (so, e.g., if Raptors lose to Milwaukee this season in the playoffs, one against them, and then maybe one against Vancouver). Those two last games could easily be used to build up rivalries between teams and help increase revenue for teams and the league.

This proposal would make NBA league format more symmetric and geographically more balanced, but in terms of the unbalanced star-power, which is the only reason why I asked for the changes, everything would stay the same in the best case. You put two new teams on the West and moved Minnesota to the East. That means you send KAT to East (the only Wolves star), but these two new teams would buy at least one very notable free agent considering their empty salary cap situation.
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Post#16 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 5:16 am

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I don't have some software which will calculate the difference in traveling miles after such change, but just look at the map and eye test will not fool you - the difference will not be significant.


The difference is the time zone, which is significant with Atlanta being in the Eastern time zone and New Orleans being in the Central.

There really is no good solution with the West still having vast swaths of unpopulated wasteland until you hit Arizona and the coast outside of a couple of pockets (Denver, Salt Lake City).

The current solution is more natural and logical no doubt, but this is just a temporary solution to fix the league already toxic imbalance. With Zion and Davis (or whoever Pelicans get for AD) on The East couple of seasons, things would look better, especially if Westbrook and George also swap place with Hornets no-names.
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Post#17 » by sule » Thu May 16, 2019 5:16 am

THE J0KER wrote:
sule wrote:
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Sothron wrote:
I cannot like this post enough. I have wanted for years to get the Vancouver Grizz back there and Seattle with the Sonics. Minnesota has been at a competitive disadvantage for its entire existence as a franchise because of their travel. Having SEA/VAN back in the NBA would allow them to move Minn to the East which is a rare win/win/win for three franchises.


We could also get 8 team divisions x4.

Seattle
Vancouver
Portland
Sacramento
Golden State
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Phoenix

Utah
Denver
OKC
San Antonio
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Memphis

Minnesota
Milwaukee
Chicago
Indiana
Detroit
Cleveland
Toronto
Atlanta

Boston
New York
Brooklyn
Philadelphia
Washington
Charlotte
Orlando
Miami


And you could balance out the schedule for 2 teams against opposite conference (32 games) and 3 games versus each team in your own conference (48), and two rotating games against rivals as determined by previous seasons (so, e.g., if Raptors lose to Milwaukee this season in the playoffs, one against them, and then maybe one against Vancouver). Those two last games could easily be used to build up rivalries between teams and help increase revenue for teams and the league.

This proposal would make NBA league format more symmetric and geographically more balanced, but in terms of the unbalanced star-power, which is the only reason why I asked for the changes, everything would stay the same in the best case. You put two new teams on the West and moved Minnesota to the East. That means you send KAT to East (the only Wolves star), but these two new teams would buy at least one very notable free agent considering their empty salary cap situation.


Potentially. It could also make Minnesota a bit more attractive since travel time would be less. Could also make Toronto a more attractive market with players from both East and West needing passports to cross the border. A single Canadian team makes travel across the border more of a hassle, two teams normalizes the need.

Two new teams, though, along with increased revenue from those markets, would likely add to the salary cap, allowing more teams more room to play with free agency. But they'd also likely be bad franchises for the first few years, by the time they got better, LeBron would be retire, Durant wouldn't be as good anymore, and Curry would be older.
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THE J0KER wrote: but this is just a temporary solution to fix the league already toxic imbalance.


You're not fixing anything.
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Post#19 » by THE J0KER » Thu May 16, 2019 6:14 am

trwi7 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote: but this is just a temporary solution to fix the league already toxic imbalance.


You're not fixing anything.

Davis and Zion would be TOP5 Eastern stars instantly in terms of star-power, and with Oklahoma going East too, Westbrook, George, Zion, and Davis will be half of Eastern TOP8 stars, which would be a significant addition to the weak East.
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Post#20 » by trwi7 » Thu May 16, 2019 6:23 am

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trwi7 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote: but this is just a temporary solution to fix the league already toxic imbalance.


You're not fixing anything.

Davis and Zion would be TOP5 Eastern stars instantly in terms of star-power, and with Oklahoma going East too, Westbrook, George, Zion, and Davis will be half of Eastern TOP8 stars, which would be a significant addition to the weak East.


Zion could bust. AD may keep his trade demand and go West anyways. So really all you’re doing is **** Atlanta for no reason.
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